Michael Moore: A Big, Fat Sicko

Do you honestly think that a few pictures and some facts are going to make people believe you?
Look at the 9/11 conspiracy films, Al Bore's Inconvenient Pack of Lies et al
Hyperbole and charges of conspiracy against George Bush is all that people believe now.
Facts? Figures?
What about feelings?

Posted April 16, 2007 12:08 PM

But its free!

Posted April 16, 2007 12:17 PM

Potemkin clinics?

Posted April 16, 2007 12:18 PM

I agree with GW Crawford. Convincing people that Cuba is actually the Third World suckhole it is would take a major ongoing PR campaign. And unfortunately, that's what Michael Moore has. As well as a major lack of conscience.

Posted April 16, 2007 12:19 PM

So why isn't there an ongoing PR campaign?

Posted April 16, 2007 12:21 PM

Here's more more pics of the lovely Cuban healthcare system, secretly taken by a Cuban photographer who risked life in prison to get the truth out:

This blogger explains in English:

Posted April 16, 2007 12:21 PM

The health care at 'sing sing' prision is free too. funny thing is, no one wants to stay there to get access to it.

The other funny thing is the rights of people interred at sing sing have better guarantees of liberty and human rights,even for those on death row than do those of the average citizen interred on the caribbean island prison called "cuba".

Posted April 16, 2007 12:25 PM

Frank,

Brilliant comment!

I've actually been to Cuba, and let me tell you, it sucks.

p.s. If President Bush is sitting in the oval office reading all of these comments, I actually did not go to Cuba in violation of the law. I really meant I saw it on a documentary.

Posted April 16, 2007 12:45 PM

Come on now. If it were really that bad people would be risking thier lives on rickety old boats to escape!

.... Oh.

Posted April 16, 2007 12:47 PM

The Cuban health care system is so good that when Fidel was almost killed by his doctors they even imported a real one from Spain. I'm sure that any regular Cuban guy can also get their own personal doctor flown in from some exotic place.

Right?

Posted April 16, 2007 12:52 PM

The Cuban health care system is so good that when Fidel was almost killed by his doctors they even imported a real one from Spain. I'm sure that any regular Cuban guy can also get their own personal doctor flown in from some exotic place.

Right?

Posted April 16, 2007 12:54 PM

please join the caption contest in honor of michael moore's trip to apartheid Cuba.

Posted April 16, 2007 12:57 PM

How many of the techniques, equipment and medicine in these facilities originated in Cuba? Or China? Or North Korea?

That is the biggest fallacy as I see it.

Posted April 16, 2007 1:07 PM

So why isn't there an ongoing PR campaign?

There is. It's called Babalu Blog. www.babalublog.com

Posted April 16, 2007 1:22 PM

Ah Val, well, I shouldn't have forgotten about you!

Posted April 16, 2007 1:49 PM

If you want to see what life in Cuba is like, watch The Buena Vista Social Club film. It's about jazz musicians but the film shows where and how they live and it's not pretty.

Posted April 16, 2007 2:11 PM

The Grand Inquisitor: 'They will find us and cry to us, "Feed us, for those who have promised us fire from heaven haven't given it!" And then we shall finish building their tower, for he finishes the building who feeds them. And we alone shall feed them in Thy name, declaring falsely that it is in Thy name. Oh, never, never can they feed themselves without us! No science will give them bread so long as they remain free. In the end they will lay their freedom at our feet, and say to us, "Make us your slaves, but feed us." They will understand themselves, at last, that freedom and bread enough for all are inconceivable together, for never, never will they be able to share between them! '-- Dostoevsky's Brothers Karamazov

The "free" healthcare comes at a stiff price.

Posted April 16, 2007 2:15 PM

Here in S Africa the government imported Cuban doctors to fill gaps at the primary level, ie rural clinics. They were mostly a disaster. Apart from the serious language problems, reports of incompetence were rife. I think they have gone home now.

Posted April 16, 2007 2:36 PM

If the health care in Cuba is so great why are people are lining up to leave anyway they can? For that matter, why is it illegal for them to want to leave?

http://picasaweb.google.com/david.lundeen/DryTortugas/photo#5044128941004989234

Posted April 16, 2007 2:38 PM

How is that any different than what the conditions were at Walter Reed? Oh, when we found out about the conditions at Walter Reed they were fixed (hopefully).

Posted April 16, 2007 3:25 PM

I returned from a one week vacation in Cuba - I am a Canadian. I was uncomfortable supporting a communist dictatorship with my travel dollars, but heaven knows that Canada and the U.S. deal with dictatorships all the time. I did want to see the place before it changes - if it ever will.

It is a very odd place and it is very poor. On our bus trip to Havana we saw legions of people milling about on the side of the road waiting for transportation to take them somewhere. The waste of human potential was staggering. The tourist buses were clean and comfortable but the few buses for locals were dirty and filled like sardine cans.

Many of the buildings in Havana were once beautiful. Most are falling apart, but occupied nevertheless.

Cuba is a tragedy - a vibrant culture and people are locked up within their island prison. I have no doubt that there are some medical facilities that are top notch as some of the tourist facilities are (but most are just ok). But an incredibly poor and stagnant country such as Cuba cannot possibly have even a half decent medical system for most of the population. They are as likely to have a successful space program.

Anyone who would think or say otherwise is a fool or a liar. I pity the people of Cuba - they deserve their freedom. I would love to return to Cuba, but not until they have another revolution - I hope that it will be soon, but based on what I saw, I doubt it.

Shame on Michael Moore.

Posted April 16, 2007 8:04 PM

i was a fort bragg m.p. who guarded cubans from the mariel boatlift in the late 70s. those cubans to a person said castro's governmental system sucked. alot of them had numbers tatooed on the inside of their mouths. castro punished then marked them afterward for their dissent. moore doesn't really care about the truth. it's an inconvenience for his socialism.

Posted April 16, 2007 9:31 PM

Why do lefties who scream and shout that Bush is a fascist dictator turn right around and kiss the boots of real dictators like Castro and Chavez? Are they dazzled that these so-called leaders are doing it "for the people" and are thus not selfish?

Moore sickens me.

Posted April 16, 2007 11:56 PM

I love the idea that the fact that Cuba finances a skeletal free healthcare system that it somehow lets Fidel Castro off the hook for everything else..

Posted April 17, 2007 4:21 AM

Lefties HEART dictators.

Those afflicted with leftism believe that only they can create a paradise, and only via making them akin to a god can that happen.

Socialism only killed 100 million, let's (not) give it another chance.

Posted April 17, 2007 8:45 AM

It would be obscene to judge Hitler by the quality of the autobahn but the left routinely judges Communist dictators by their Potemkin successes. Stalin spent about 25% of the national budget constructing the subway system. This was portrayed as an example of his care for the working class, but the money for its construction came from many starved agricultural workers. In the book Wild Swans, the writer tells about how a favorite aunt died a painful death from an easily treatable disease while another relative,a physician, spread manure in rice fields as part of his re-education process. About this time, Time magazine wrote a cover story about how Mao's barefoot doctors were revolutionizing patient care in China. The writer, herself a barefoot doctor, could barely treat sprains, much less ulcerative colitis. Isn't there a point at which such wilful blindness to history can be described not as ignorance but as bigotry.

Posted April 17, 2007 11:28 AM

See the photos at http://www.therealcuba.com

Posted April 17, 2007 12:41 PM

How "inconvenient" for the people posting here who decry Castro's authoritarian and repressive government, but will turn their eyes away from their own American corporation's rapacious greed when it comes to health care...it's SICK care, not "health' care. One can rightfully point to the gulf between the elites and the "peasants" in Cuba, and elsewhere, but should not avoid seeing the vast difference in the health care of Congressman and Senators, and that of the average citizen. Critics of Moore's agit-prop are victims of their own myopic failure to see the forest for the trees. The US is shockingly at the lowest rungs of providing health care to its citizens...pay more, and receive less, than nearly every industrial country. We don't need Moore to tell us what is right in front of us....

Posted April 23, 2007 3:38 PM

Michel, even the poorest here have access to better healthcare than the average Cuban. The difference in quality of life between Cuba and America is staggering - why else do you think so many tens of thousands have been killed at sea in their desperate attempts to escape? There is NO COMPARISON to the experience under a Communist dictatorship and how we live, none at all. The difference in our levels of freedom and prosperity are huge. I'm convinced that leftists act like Bush's America is some sort of oppressive hell is because they feel embarrassed with their status as overprivileged Americans so they like to pretend that they're fighting a noble struggle against oppression just like those cool "real" people in the 3rd world.

Posted May 12, 2007 1:27 AM

The focus on Michael Moore's trip to Cuba is being used to deflect attention from the main issue -- whether the American health care system is in trouble. Cuba has lower infant mortality rates and longer life expectancies than the US, and those are arguably the two best indicators of health -- how likely you are to die at birth, and how long you can expect to live. The US is the only developed country without medical coverage for every citizen. Other developed countries consider heatlh care a basic human right. The US should look to similarly-developed countries (Canada and the EU countries for a start) for examples of excellent health care at lower cost per capita than your current "system".

Posted May 19, 2007 9:31 PM

The focus on Michael Moore's trip to Cuba is being used to deflect attention from the main issue -- whether the American health care system is in trouble. Cuba has lower infant mortality rates and longer life expectancies than the US, and those are arguably the two best indicators of health -- how likely you are to die at birth, and how long you can expect to live. The US is the only developed country without medical coverage for every citizen. Other developed countries consider heatlh care a basic human right. The US should look to similarly-developed countries (Canada and the EU countries for a start) for examples of excellent health care at lower cost per capita than your current "system".

Posted May 19, 2007 9:33 PM

I really don't think Moore's message is that Cuba has a medical system that the US should emulate. Rather, it is a country that is generally poor and a place where citizens of the US are banished from visiting, yet they have developed SOME health care venues that are better off than they are here, and this country says that Cuba is doing everything wrong when that's not necessarily the case.

Posted May 22, 2007 11:39 AM

I really don't think Moore's message is that Cuba has a medical system that the US should emulate. Rather, it is a country that is generally poor and a place where citizens of the US are banished from visiting, yet they have developed SOME health care venues that are better off than they are here, and this country says that Cuba is doing everything wrong when that's not necessarily the case.

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Posted June 18, 2007 2:59 PM

As with everything in life; the truth is usually in the middle. I'm sure that in order to vilify Moore; you picked the worst pictures you can find and for Moore to vilify the US system, he uses the extremes.

However; whatever you think, there's no way you can believe that the US system of health care is broken.

Posted June 18, 2007 7:20 PM

As with everything in life; the truth is usually in the middle. I'm sure that in order to vilify Moore; you picked the worst pictures you can find and for Moore to vilify the US system, he uses the extremes.

However -- whatever you think, there's no way you can believe that the US system of health care is broken.

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Posted September 26, 2007 11:09 AM

William..... Poor Americans might bet better health care that average Cubans. I doubt it But they have to deal with debt all their life which sucks

Posted October 16, 2007 8:41 PM

i dont think it was his intensions to say that cuba is better. yea they are a poor country and dont have the best health care but atleast they have it and its free. look at how many people die and suffer because they dont have the money to pay for doctor bills and not everyone gets medicare. cubas doctor offices may be bad but atleast they're trying to help the people with what money the have instead of making them leave because they dont have houndreds of dollors to spend on a few doctor visits

Posted February 6, 2008 11:08 AM

i dont think it was his intensions to say that cuba is better. yea they are a poor country and dont have the best health care but atleast they have it and its free. look at how many people die and suffer because they dont have the money to pay for doctor bills and not everyone gets medicare. cubas doctor offices may be bad but atleast they're trying to help the people with what money the have instead of making them leave because they dont have houndreds of dollors to spend on a few doctor visits

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