Publius Pundit: Video of the Crackdown on Iranian Women (and Men) Archive

donvan says:

What can one say.? bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran- to the tune of barbara ann...

petunia says:

Shouldn't the Iranian "police" be arrested for westerness since they have the word "Police", in english, written on the side of their patrol car?! Also for their western military uniform attire? And also for the ones wearing green baseball hats?!!!!!!!

Stefania says:

Donvan: I tend to ignore such a nonsense on part of people like you who writes such things. By bombing Iran you will prolong thbe life of the regime, which would have the population on its side because they would rally around them to defend their country.

jack says:

So get rid of the regime your own way. Whatever it is, it isn't working. Maybe we can cause enough damage to the power structure that those who really want a change can have a chance. There's no chance of that now.

Afshin says:

Stefania, Iran has been under Muslim occupation for over 1300 years. And, the current regime has been in power for 27+ years. Perhaps bombing the whole filthy lot of them isn't such a bad idea.

As a Persian, I whole heartedly support a full scale bombing campaign against these vermin. Turning Tehran to dust would be wise, if our goal is the elimination of Islamic fascism.

Pelle says:

I grew up in Sweden and have had many friends whose families escaped Iran after the revolution.

Islam is holding Iran hostage, just like Communism held Russia hostage and left it a smoldering, corrupt, wreck.

Hopefully Iran, and the rest of the world, will be able to shake of the 7th century plague that is Islam.

Stefania says:

Afshin, yours is not the opinion of the majority of the Iranians. Bombinb Iran would only prolong the life of the regime, just like happened in the Iran-Iraq war. You are free to think like you want, but let me be free to caution against foreign military intervention.

The hypocrisy of many consists in blaming the Iranian people for not overthrowing the regime, when the West has done nothing when there have been mass protests by the students in the past few years. Many were killed, tortured and were screaming to make their voice heard by our leaders. The regime was about to collapse, but unfortunately our leaders chosen to look the other way and did not back their promises with real action.

Iranians won't take down the regime if they know that the Western countries won't rescue them. It's too easy to blame the Iranians for not risking their lives , while we are sitting in our houses away from the risk of being flogged in public.
Fund the Iranian opposition movements who genuinely are committed to total regime change. Fund them, give them moral, financial and political support and they will do the rest.

In Iran, you have an army of people who are ready to oust the regime, unlike Iraq and Afghanistan or other Middle Eastern countries, where war is justified because there is no visible opposition and - above all - because many are Islamic fanatics (not just a tiny minority). The case of Iran is very different.

Stefania says:

Pelle, I agree 100% with what you says. And it's what many Iranians also are saying. Unsurprisingly, many youths are leaving Islam and are embracing Iranism, which has its roots in the pre-Islamic era. This is the result of 27 years of Islamo-fascism.

Manuela says:

Iran will be better off without 1) the mullahs, well really 2) without Islam. I doubt 1 will happen soon and 2, most likely never.

Stefania you say that ppl who want to bomb Iran are hypocrites, as those who blame the Iranian citizens for not overthrowing the regime.

What to do then? I have the experience of the Romanian revolution and I think that both the average citizens revolt as the outside help are needed if we want a regime change. And we should do it asap! or it will be too late, because they'll soon have the nuclear power thus a much higher status in negotiations. Or maybe they'll just nuke us... in the end its us or them (and here each of us can say for himself/herself who the enemy is)

Iran will be similar to Pakistan, which continues to be a safe heaven for talibans, Tablighi Jamaat, al qaeda, etc. Thanks for the video clip.

Shawn says:

Pelle,

What about your own country of Sweden? I've read alot about what is going on there and it does'nt look good. Riets in Malmo, Swedish women being raped by muslum men and getting worse. Your scocialist far left government telling Sweds they don't have a culture. Go and visit "Gates of Vienna"

Afshin says:

Stefania, you don't seem to understand. I am Persian, an actual, real-life, full-blooded descendant of Cyrus, Jamsheid and Ardeshir. The "Iranians" you represent are not Persian, they are filthy muslim vermin of Arab, Turkish and Kurdish extraction.

The "Iranism, which has its roots in the pre-Islamic era" of which you speak is my people's culture, still quite alive despite 1300+ years of muslims attempting to destroy it. We may number only in the hundreds-of-thousands now, but we are a resourceful bunch and will one day evict the occupiers of our homeland. We welcome, and shall reward, the assistance and support of external powers (like the U.S. and Israel) in eliminating our enemies.

We will not, however, accept these "many youths" you claim are leaving islam. Fuck them, let them rot in hell with their ancestors.

no2liberals says:

This is an emotional time. As an American, I can't begin to understand what the dynamics are, though I try to. Unlike many of my fellow citizens, I and my family, have always been freedom lovers. For my part, from what I've done, where I've been, and what I believe, it is the desire of every living person to be free, and enjoy personal liberty.
I wish this for everyone, and am appalled at the continuing, and even increased despotism displayed by the Mad Mullahs.
Just so you may know, some of our politicians understand what is needed for the Iranian people to be free of their oppressors.
href="http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/n/a/2007/04/27/politics/p145627D12.DTL&type=printable">From Fred Thompson.

Lori says:

It seems obvious that attacking Iran will only strengthen the Mullahs. Given enough time the regime will collapse... the question is whether we have enough time because they will have the bomb in a few years or less.

There's no obviously right answer.

donmeaker says:

During WWII, bombing Germany did two things:
It drove the common people into the arms of the government, who showed up after bomb raids with blankets, soup, clothes. (Many of these items had been stolen from murdered Jews).
It destroyed factories, power plants, fuel dumps, refineries, and rail lines, so that the German industrial production was much reduced. Rather than develop new designs, the Germans spent much time redesigning the old designs to use air bearings instead of ball bearings, to use casein glue rather than formaldehyde glue.
The US tried to use daylight precision attacks with the Norden bombsight, and had some success, but were never able to destroy parts of a factory while leaving the rest intact. The US now uses precision bombing now, even using weapons with no explosives, but rather bombs with concrete, to generate specific and quantifiable effects on the enemy country. We now attack multiple targets per plane, rather than sending 1000 aircraft after a single target. With the WWII unguided bombs the most that could be said was that so many tons of bombs were exported to Germany. Today targeting error is in the neighborhood of from one end of the Ba'ath tub to the other.
Iran is 51 percent Persians, with the rest being Kurds, Azerbajians, Arabs, and Turkmen. Many of the Iranian Jews got out about the time the Shah fell, one of whom is now mayor of Beverly Hills.
It is important to know that the birth rate among Persians in Iran is very low, while Arabs and Ajerbajianis continue with higher birth rates. The nuclear bomb may be intended as a means to assure that Azerbajani and Arab areas (which produce most of Iran's oil) remain within the Persian Empire.

Karridine says:

No longer content to abuse Baha'is (and, to a lesser extent, Christians and Jews) now they're extending it, in a kind of "Equal Rights" debacle of "Equal Persecution for All Iranians!"

WE will tell YOU right from wrong, because obviously YOU cannot decide for yourself! (Note: backward places like Emrikka use their so-called 'Constitution' to prevent social-personal FEEDBACK like this!)

(Note #2: NO, all applications for emigration to The Great S'tan Emrikka WILL BE DENIED!)

RTLM says:

Another bombing campaign could be averted if the West could unite and cooperate economically against Iran. Western Europe would have to cut off the lucrative deals with Iran (and Syria), Germany would have to do the same.
Stop shipping precision machine tools, Germany.
Stop shipping aircraft parts, France.
Stop shipping $20,000.00 .50 caliber sniper rifles, Austria.

The Iranian economy is 2nd world and descending fast. The imposition of one COMPLETE sanction would crush that vile regime and give the under 30 population a chance to have peace.

So what's more likely:
Bombing Iran or Western unity ?

SSD says:

Stefani, I wholeheartedly agree with you. Bombing Iran would only prolong the life of the current regime, and will make the majority of Iranians who are against the mullahs side back with them in order to defend their country and the 'ummah'. Good to see you're not closed minded like that idiot, hypocrite, and ignorant Afshin. How can you call yourself a "real-blooded" persian and want Iran to be bombed flat? And how can you even say that most Iranians are arabs when MORE THEN 55% of the Iranians living in Iran today are persian?!! A real persian would never want his country to be bombarded. You're a disgrace to all the REAL Iranians out there, you sick despicible piece of shit. And this is coming from a person who only HALF persian

Btw people, don't call this Islamic, there is no rule in Islam that forces you to be dressed like a ninja, even all critics of Islam will tell you the same thing, the mullahs are doing this in order to keep the population under control. The Iranian women that I have seen arrested or issued a warning to in those pictures look MUCH more modest then the muslim girls I've seen in my trips to Kuwait, Turkey, and Morroco (people who have visited these countries will know what I'm talking). The Iranian women are not violating any Islamic laws at all, the hardliners do this crackdown every summer, and for three reasons only:

1) Because they're a bunch of paranoid little fucks who think that the Iranians who oppose them (like the women in those pics) are falling for "Western psychological propaganda".

2) To intimidate the anti-mullah Iranians.

3) To drive away attention from the growing rise of drug trafficking, drug addicts, poverty, prostitution, and the ever collapsing economy (prediciton is that by 2030 the Iranian economy is no more).

Everybody should read what Stefani wrote:

"Iranians won't take down the regime if they know that the Western countries won't rescue them. It's too easy to blame the Iranians for not risking their lives , while we are sitting in our houses away from the risk of being flogged in public.
Fund the Iranian opposition movements who genuinely are committed to total regime change. Fund them, give them moral, financial and political support and they will do the rest...In Iran, you have an army of people who are ready to oust the regime, unlike Iraq and Afghanistan or other Middle Eastern countries, where war is justified because there is no visible opposition and - above all - because many are Islamic fanatics (not just a tiny minority). The case of Iran is very different."

Exactly Exactly EXACTLY! The reformist party is the most popular and censored party in Iran, real Iranians (unlike traitors like Afshan) living in exile do everything to help these people from the outside (funding, etc.). And no Lori, a bomb won't come till 7-8 years from now, don't fall for that daily propaganda by Fox. The sanctions on Iran is going to make the economy worst then ever, gas prices are going to go up by 200 percent, the Iranian people will not sit and watch anymore, opposition is going to be more then ever, even the hardliners are getting more and more angry by Ahmadnijad's ways and policy. UN sanctions are good enough to start a revolt, but if the current US adminstration (infested with neo-cons and likudniks) or Israel bomb Iran, a new revolution will be pushed back 50 more years.

fozzy says:

download the song "I Left My Heart In Iran" by the Forgotten Rebels. Nuf Said

Stefania says:

SSD: There is no "reformist" within the regime. My point is clear as I state above and I hope our leaders will have the courage to do the right thing. However, they lost an important occasion when the Iranian people was about to overthrow the regime. And now our leaders are blaming the Iranians? It's like to blame the Chinese for not taking to the streets like they did in Tiananmen square, when they have been massacred while the West looked the other way.

Again, too easy to blame the Iranian people when we sit in our houses without risking our life for speaking out.

Manuela, you well know that the revolution in Romania was supported by the US through moral, political and financial help.

Well, the US now should follow the same approach as with the Eastern Europe countries.

felopzd says:

Why is it the "western" world's responsibility to rescue anyone? If the Persians want to revolt, they'll evemtaully have to grab thier collective balls and just do it.

I have many Persian friends and I am getting sicmk of hearing that somehow the US is at fault for the state of things in Iran right now. "if only the US would do something!!!"

Here's a clue. The US is indeed strong, but they only got that way by living in a free society, including religious tolerance. There are no burkhas in the US. The religious leaders do not control the pursestrings of the nation. Perhaps if the Iranians stopped being so scared of what the mullas say god will do to them and start seing what the mullas are doing to them in the name of god, they'd find them selves in a transformed land.

In short, the mullas are conrtolling the Iranians with psychology much more than with brute force. In my experience, it's much easier to shrug off an attempt to mess with my mind than to shrug off a bullet wound.

The Iranians simply need to learn the word,"NO"

Stefania says:

Again, too easy to blame them for not risking their life knowing that nobody will rescue them. A good occasion was lost and of course not because the Iranians didn't revolt.

Jeha says:

Iranian women do not vote in the US presidential election, but US women do...

Nicu says:

Manuela, I'm glad to see a woman from my country thinking straight. A lot of our compatriots, despite our long bloody history fighting islam, cannot see the danger.

Stefania, you're naive. Communism and islam have some common points, but '89 events were happening in societies with highly educated people and for sure free of religious fanatics, and quite sympathetic to the West.

Stop blaming the West for all bad things happened elsewhere. What they could do against China, for example? Each case must be treated separately: remove small dictators by force - not wait 20-25 years for economic sanctions to wear it down, drive big communists dictatorships towards market economy and freedom of speech, erase nuke-enabled islamic regimes until is not too late. islam cannot be reformed, only defeated.

Nicu says:

As for nuking Teheran, it's the worst thing to do, really: in this big city is concentrated the bulk of open-minded Iranians, erasing that will leave just a very poor and very backward countryside. Bombing their secret service building, Revolutionary Guards headquarters, nuclear facilities (contaminations scare is bullshit, it will not be so bad) mullahs houses and Parliament would be far, far more efficient and satisfying.

When mullahs will lose their families, maybe they will think twice; if not, big deal.

Aya says:

The Iranian people are so beautiful, it's a shame they have to be ruled by dark ages religious fanatics.

CT says:

I have met a number of Muslims in my years abroad (but never in a Muslim country). The Iranians have been some of the best: friendliest, least interested in Islamic proselytizing, most likely to drink alcohol, most interesting. However, even those who seem most normal can get surprisingly worked up if "Israel" is mentioned. That Iran's anti-mullah elite who can be educated abroad still find Israel suggests, to me, a serious problem.

I've read "Reading 'Lolita' in Tehran" and, if the book can be believed, taken together with Iranians' accounts and various news articles, it's clear the people have long been ready for change. Yet, as one Iranian mentioned to me: "In the Shah's day, when people had everything and life was not so bad, they overthrew the Shah; now they have nothing and everybody is too scared to act." Yet a turning point will come, I do believe. Economic pressure combined with funding of anti-mullah groups might be very useful.

Bombing sounds bad, very bad. Many Russians hated the Bolsheviks, but they joined the Red Army to fight the German attackers. I would expect something similar in Iran, which also has a long distinct history and culture. Highly specific bombing of oilfields and gas wells that help keep mullahs in power and the police state functioning (and its functionaries cooperative), however, could be useful but if such attacks fail, the repercussions could be horrible.

Whenever the mullahs go, I'm afraid that Iran will always be held back by Islam. The mullahs are succeeding in turning many away from Islam, but not enough to really matter long-term, and I don't know whether what replaces Islam will be any better for Iranians as a whole. From what I read, it seems like those who leave Islam generally become nihilists, which is not much of an improvement.

Shawn says:

You can all thank that dirty whore country called France who were greatly responsable for installing Komanie in Iran back in the 70's to counter American interest in the ME. I will play the fiddle when I am watching Paris burn caused by thier muslum immagrants.

Stefania says:

Nicu, you don't know me well. I am the first person to be anti-Islamisc (just take a deep look at all my blog) . Maybe you forget that the Iranian people have much in common with the peoples of Eastern Europe. In all Middle East, the Iranians are the only ones who look at the West and are pro-US. I have lots of contacts and friends there, plus I have links there. And I can tell you that a majority of Iranian youths today don't consider themselves as Muslims, indeed they are leaving Islam because of 27 years of a sharia regime.

Stefania says:

Also, I am not the one who blames the West for all the world's ills. Again, take a look at my blog to realize that I am one of the few pro-US and pro-Western European in a continent that decided to commit moral suicide by surrendering to Islam.

It's one thing to be anti-Western and quite another criticizing the West's mistakes. Sometimes we should be able to admit that we do mistakes and that we can't blame who we did not help when they did the first step.

Winston says:

WHERE'S code-pink on this?

Nicu says:

Stefania, I really don't know you at all, I was only reacted to things on this page. I would be glad to hear that "a majority of Iranian youths today don't consider themselves as Muslims", but I don't think this is true. Maybe in Teheran and big cities, but there are hundreds of thousands of young religious fanatics inside that very country.

I agree that the West is making mistakes (big style), and it's doing them right now: a little thing, like banning references to pigs not to offend muslims in Europe is something I was expecting from an Orwelian book, not for real governments. It is suicide, as you said.

But still I don't consider that the Europe and US should support factions inside muslim world because always those are turning back against us: mujahedeens, talibans, shiites, fatah palestinians - you name them.

Iran will not became a secular country without a MAJOR bloodshed, and not even then. Courageous women not wearing the veil or kids with long hair are nothing in front of AK47 and bombs.

Dar Al -Harb says:

Stafania....The cold hard facts are that ANY attempt to dislodge the ruling mullahs from thier seats of power without war and death is purely dreaming.

Any attempt at such a thing would lead exactly to what you see in iraq and afghanastan,somalia...wherever there is islam and islam is in power.

The threat of those who wish for martyrdom are not threats only to the west.They are made to the iranian people as well.

This is why the return to iron fisted rule by the regime.

Islam cares for nothing not even thier own but only thier lunacy and madness that is brought to them and all around them FIVE times a day.

Your way of thinking is whats PARTLY wrong with the war now.
People expect war or the west to intervene without there being death and destruction.

It just so happens these are the ONLY things islam understands.

You can be assured that ANY type of intervention will bring out those "heroes and lions" those so called "mighty men" of islam and thier orders will be to kill as many wherever and whenever to make examples.

Islam rules and converts by the sword and intimidation.

You have to expect serious amounts of death and destruction to destroy such a hate and murderous ideology.IT WON"T GO PEACEFULLY!

But i think you are right in one point the Iranian people,the majority,would love to get rid of these jokers and i believe they would fight to do so.

However still in the begining and in the middle it would still be another iraq.

The very best thing that could occur is the people themselves get so tired of it and one day it will reach the threshold of complete and entire sharia law and it will either break them or cause them to fight back.

Which again leads to resistance to the regime wich points again to what goes on in iraq,not entirely like iraq but islam is islam.

People wanted the Hitler war machine stopped and the Japanese war machine stopped,well it cost millions of lives to do both.Not to mention entire cities laid to waste.

The real question is does it happen to them or does it happen to us?

If even this day there are no bridges being built to any small or large group with the decimation of islam in mind then ther are daily failures being made.

Keep this in mind when you hear our politicians talking of appeasing and coddling islam.because that woman being shoved into that car for showing her hair or hands could be you or your sister or your mother HERE one day if we do not find leaders to fight the against islam and not for it.

This country has gone screwy it's as if one political group fights for one sect and the other fights for the other sect never seeing they are both islam and they both want us all dead or enslaved.

Tuck your little ones into bed tonight kiss them on the cheek and apologize to them and when they ask what you did wrong tell them you gave thier souls and thier lives away to islam....because you did nothing here to stop islam there.

Afshin says:

SSD, rant and rave all you want. There is no such thing as a muslim Persian, all Persians are Zorastians and the largest population currently lives in exile in India having fled the islamic invaders in the 7th century. The CIA Factbook might say that 54% of the population is Persian, but that's a lie created (by the British) in the early 20th century. Think about it, would any real Persian name their children after Arabs? Of course not. All those Mohammeds, Husseins, and Alis running around L.A. aren't Persians living in exile, they are muslims who don't want to live under their own cult's rule. But they have no problem profiting from it, every last one of them still do business and have stolen land in Iran, most even have family in the regime. I don't view them as traitors though, they're occupiers, vermin, muslim pigs whose slaughter is over due, but will come.

You SSD, like the rest of the muslims, have no claim on our ancestors, our culture or our land. Persians will drive islam from our land and into oblivion. And, when we're done with that, we'll deal with the all those who aided our enemies. We'll start with France.

Tad says:

To those who say "bombing Iran" will only strengthen the regime:

Not if you take out the regime in the process. ie. Start the campaign by taking out the central government building(s) while they are in session... Take out the majority of the problem all at once. Of course, as we found Iraq, it would be wise not to give 6 months notice.

Alternatively, I would be in favor of a 100% blockade.

I don't care about the methods, but the current regime must be taken out before their nuke program threatens the entire region.

Nicu says:

@ Tad:

Hear, hear... giving warnings takes the element of surprise and diminishes greatly the rate of success.

dhsahdawj says:

stefania, why do u wanna fight with people
everyone can ahve their opponion!
i´m an iranian, n i´m sick of seeing people
beat the young girls & boys n put ´em in jail!

Dennis says:

Bombing Dresden in WW2 prolonged the Reich?: I think not. I suppose we should have ignored Hitler,

Shabnam says:

War might seem a shortcut to the goals but the reality shows the different result.Look at what happened to Afghanistan and Iraq! Do you think that it would be different in Iran? I think the consequences will be more severe!
As an Iranian woman who lived 29 years of my life under this dictatorship,I would not consider the war as a wise solution!
It's interesting how Iranian abroad advise "Bombing Iran" while they are outside living their normal life.My question always remains " While Iranian exiled community could have bound a powerful chain and become a voice of Iranian inside,after 29 years they haven't been able to establish one allied community!or lead a noble demonstration but always advising Iranian inside to fight this regime.

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