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Filed under: Iran ~ Russia

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The happy couple proudly showing off the ring: Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, center, and his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin, right, shake hands during an official welcoming ceremony for Putin, on his arrival to attend the Caspian Sea leaders summit in Tehran, Iran, Tuesday, Oct. 16, 2007. (AP Photo/RIA Novosti, Mikhail Klimentyev, Presidential Press Service)

The Associated Press reports:

Vladimir Putin issued a veiled warning Tuesday against any attack on Iran as he began the first visit by a Kremlin leader to Tehran in six decades -- a mission reflecting Russian-Iranian efforts to curb U.S. influence. He also suggested Moscow and Tehran should have a veto on Western plans for new pipelines to carry oil and natural gas from the Caspian Sea, using routes that would bypass Russian soil and break the Kremlin's monopoly on energy deliveries from the region. Putin strongly warned outside powers against use of force in the region, a clear reference to the United States, which many in Iran fear will attack over the West's suspicions that the Iranians are secretly trying to develop nuclear weapons. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad made similar comments. "We are saying that no (Caspian) nations should offer their territory to outside powers for aggression or any military action against any of the Caspian states," Putin said. The Russian leader also used the occasion to make a nod to Iran's national pride -- describing it as a "world power" and referring to the might of the ancient Persian empire.

Now, remember folks -- Russia is a member of the G-8. We are officially through the looking glass. If this Putin fellow is our ALLY, do you dare imagine who our enemies might be?

My latest installment on the Pajamas Media megablog explains why Russia is becoming more and more interested in jumping under the sheets with Iran: In addition to a latent hatred of Western values that gives Iran's a run for its money, slowly Russia is becoming a Muslim nation.

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Comments


Robert Mayer says:

And remember, there are no gays in the Middle East!


La Russophobe says:

I believe the same is true in Russia.

As I understand it, the couple is not "gay" but "bi-curious" -- that's their story and they're sticking to it!


jeffrey says:

Nice analysis. Amazing that I can't find this kind of depth in any newspapers or magazines.


Russian says:

http://kp.ru/daily/23987.3/75607/

Q:How can we make the World to like Russia?

A: We can't.
We must be strong, and they will respect our strength. the Politics has just one thing which is respected. The strengh. The economic power. Russophobia goes down sharply when it gets no dividents.

Here we dismissed our greate power the USSR.
We wanted democracy, harmony in international relations, wanted investments to our economy, the whole world to love us...
And what a poor surprise! Every stranger feels emboldened to pick on you. The "boys" from the next street's gang come and hit you in the jaw!
You start yelling: "You don't have that right!" And they go: "Shut up!" and hit you again...

Q: Well, why are we hanging up to the post-Soviet space? What if we just abandon all those Middle Asia and Caucasus?

A: Because America is there, and we forced to stay there too. I have never heard about any NPOs in Russia concerned with liberation of Hawai or Texas from the USA.
But the USA got their hand in our pants and are searching there. The declare it is a zone of their strategic interest.
you may say this is paranoia, but what paranoia if you have a stranger's hand in your pants?

.............................................

A: The USA today do not have any seriouse enemy.
All their problems they create themself.
They are like a ram running towards a wall and butting it. The stronger is the ram, the bigger is the problem...

Mikhail Leontyev, columnist, pundit, Russia. Komsomolskaya pravda


La Russophobe says:

RUSSIAN:

You are posting spam to this blog and will not be allowed to continue. If you'd like to write a post on a new topic, we welcome written submissions by e-mail. Otherwise, comment space is for discussing the topic at hand, which is is Putin's visit to Iran.

Your inability to address the topic directly shows that you can't, and need instead to turn to cheap neo-Soviet propaganda to try to change the subject. I'd say nice try, but it wasn't even that.

To address the substance of your "point," it would be nice if you told your readers (if such there be) that Mr. Leontyev is a pawn of government-owned media and a Kremlin mouthpiece, not just a "columnist" and certainly not independent. Maybe one reason that the whole world hates Russia is the the country's dogged refusal to tell the truth and its insistence on spewing one-sided propaganda. Your fundamentally dishonest content is also something we frown on here at this blog.

If America supplied missile systems and nuclear technology to Shamil Basayev, Russians became outraged (quite properly) and then we published statements from a group of Americans saying that it doesn't matter whether we stop doing that, Russia will still hate us, would that make Russians reconsider their views and change their behavior? It seems unlikely.


Russian says:

What spam? Any publication about why Russia is not loved is relevant to any publication signed "La Russophobe"
My material is relevant to the topic by some other ways too. It shows how the Russians may see the USA inters and involvement in the Caspian Sea region, and why Russia is there. The last paragraph is a good image to explain the USA problems in the Middle East (and with Iran).
You speak about the USA-Russia deteriorating relations, and the excerpts I translated for you are about that, just from the other side's point of vew.
The AP material you posted is just "dry" non discussable information about the visit.

Your assumption that Puin and Ahmadinijad aree a sweet couple based on their handshake is the only thing to comment on.

OK, I can do that:

The handshake and posing together for the picture is a normal diplomatic protocol.

PS. You already shut me up on your Russophobic site once. Yes, you can do it here too. But this is because russophobes are weaklings against Russians.


Artfldgr says:

Russian: Its my opinion that your a troll. you do not desire debate and such, and your "history" knowlege sucks.

you fancy yourself intelligent and able to hold your own, but your kind of like a 6 year old trying to prove to 18 year olds you can fight and be just as strong as they are.

but you dont know enough, and what you do know is revisionist as i have shown, by tracing back bits of the wrong, to the quotes of the people that said them first.

your are not debating from fact, you are debating from emotion. "this is what i feel is right, so i will perserver till they accept my side". thats not cognizant and topical debate in order to find truth. thats just ego dressed up in a clown suit pretending to be what it is not.

like some small tiny fitzgig of a dog, you bark and bark and puff out your chest to be one of the others. but its just yapping to everyone but you.

the malformed ego cant take that they are or can be wrong, they cant accept that the facts they are spouting are wrong even though they feel right. they are not tempered, as more reasoned debate is.

your id has run over your ego, and makes it impossible to talk with you. EVERY point from someone else is wrong out of hand, without regard. there is no exploration, attempt to understand, just false arguments as i detalied, and the id of a person whose ego wants to be seen as some form of expert, or something that they are not (but could be if this wasnt their way. after all, you already believe you arrived, so why study?)

sad sad... it gets no where.. its the tactics taught to a parrot so that the parrot can go out into the field and function as a constant thorn, a termite, a parasite that keeps others too busy to be effective.

i have given you way too much time, and way too much education. most people pay professors to teach them, those that dont and are smart, appreciate when someone that knows a lot shares. and yet i havent said i was absolutely right, my stuff is tempered.

and yet i also enver said, believe me, and follow me blindly as you love to do... i said, read, learn, grow, and develope. stop listening to little devils in your ear telling you what you want to hear.

waht do you want to hear? well thats obvious, you want to ehar that everything is on track for utopia. leaving tomorrow track 4, station unknown.

the real deal when things develop this way is that denial becomes much more important than truth because its defending the right to inaction while absolving responsibilty.

if you know that someone is going to commit murder, are you not, by morals, supposed to stop them?

well, if you can inject doubt, after more than 200 of one PUBLIC type are gone, you can continue to do it till the game is over. and like the german people feel that it was not their fault cause "how could they know?"

well, guess what, they cant know beause in any situation like this, there is cadre of people like you that prevent them from knowing. its the small niggling diss that grows into doubt, that binds up the person.

after all, one has to hold still so that they can put the gun to your head and not miss. this is how they get everyone to hold still till things are too far gone to change.

your standing on a lawn, looking up at the flickering red lights in a room that is on fire, and trying to decide if its people being romantic, the television, and every OTHER thing than what it is.

by the time you figure it out, its too late, the trap is closed and you cant leave, you cant change it, and you and everyone else has to ride it out to the end, if there is one.

when i talk about the gulags to people, the commonality, probably from the movies, is that they would find the saving grace, the way out, they will avoide that fate. and so they dont defend against it. 100 million people went to slow death and such in that EXACT way.

A country of average people were turned into executioners with glee at the good works they are doing for the cause.

marching right behind them are you..

Russophobe is not weak... She and the others who make this place what it is, are taking risks in exposing their thoughts, and opinions, and doing something.

they could be quiet, leave when the gettings good, survive and their families could too, and they never have to say a word to any one else. they dont HAVE to try to rescue anyone, let alone others in other states, who fight against them, and fight to remain in an earthqucke, vocanic, flood zone claiming whats natural is past and never will happen again.

march on the side you want, i will not stop you... but how many people marching through the gates that said "arbeit mach frei", had time to contemplate the same mistakes?



Russian says:

Artfldgr.

I do not accept your grievances. I do not give Internet links to support my statements because I am not trying to prove anything, but just express my point of vew. All I say comes from my head as a subconscious and conscious synthesis of what I learned, experienced, and was taught.
If I mention a fact it may make sense to give the sourse, but if it is just a thought, the sourse is me. No other links possible.
You think I am a troll? OK, I am a troll. So what? Do I jump on everybody and bite? I make my point, and if somebody says different I do not call him (or her an idiot or so right away, like LR and you do. So, I am a kind, gentle troll. As about debates, I like debates.
I always try to express my point of vew clear and to stick to the topic. And you are lacking these two things which are necessary for good debate. You get into psychological analysis and classifications of your opponent's thoughts and arguments, and you delute your reasning with a great deal of inadequate for the topic, McCarty time political phylosophy about the World Communist plot. So, what kind of debate you may expect if you and your opponent are talking about different things?
And the other thing is, that if I write wordy and "out off the topic" like you, Kim would shut me down long ago calling it a spam.

As about LR, you did not say what kind of risk she is taking by running her "La Russophobe" blog and contributing to this one and to "The Pajama".
I do not see anything risky for her in her graphomanic activities. What she is doing is a rather amaturish journalism, very superficial and biased looking.
It is OK for her own blog, but for Publius Pundit I would recommend to include some publications representing the alternative to LR vision of situaution in Russia.
I tried to do it in my comments, and it was fun.
But it looks now like they are not going to stand me anymore. Well, I am an exotic bird, like a white crow in this 88% right republican audience and certainly are not elegible for the First Ammendment.

So, I say good by to you.

I appreciate your efforts to educate me for free. Some of your thoughts were original and the links interesting.


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StopReligious-Hatred says:

Now the West is Anti-Muslim. First it was anti-Communist, and as always it's anti Black/African.

Let's be real the HATRED is just to provoke wars, etc so we can bomb the devil out of regions and take their resources. We can't seal from Europe, because they're our european allies, so we just keep slavery in play. Stop bashing people who are different, or they will bash us in response.












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