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Vladimir Putin, Natural Born Liar

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Can you imagine any more horrible, googly-eyed pumpkin on any doorstep this Halloween season?

As his All Hallow's Eve gift to the world, Vladimir Putin visited a site of Soviet mass murder, the proud KGB spy defiling it with his very presence, and rationalized the killing, saying: "Such tragedies have occurred more than once in the history of mankind."

You're a shameless liar, Mr. Putin, and you behave just like the Soviet thugs who came before you and taught you, at whose teet you sucked. The Soviet government was BY FAR the worst killer of civilians in world history, its actions have no parallel in the records of human habitation of the Earth. The Soviet Union killed 54.7 million between 1917 and 1987, and China killed only 35.6 million between 1949 and 1987. Even if there were other regimes that were worse than Russia's, or remotely close to being as bad, rationalization only helps to justify and continue the outrage. Not until the people of Russia become civilized enough to understand this, and to demand that their leaders do as well, will their lives ever begin to genuinely improve over the long haul.

Talk about a ghost story!

Publius Pundit takes this opportunity to wish all our readers a happy, ghoulish, horrifying Halloween! Ve vant to drink your blood! And those concerned about Russia can take this holiday also as a kind of Thanksgiving Day if they are lucky enough not to live in Russia, and a day of prayer for those who do. In Russia, they have no such luxury as this holiday, for every day is the real thing, not a matter for light-hearted jocularity.

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Ken Hahn says:

Want to bet that Mr. Putin has Bill and Hillary Clinton's KGB dossiers in his top desk drawer?


John Hussey says:

If the dossieris there it was most likely made by the Chinese! Follow the money!


Andy says:

You're an ignorant ignorant idiot if you believe that.


Armstrong says:

Before you uncritically accept this rather gross out-of-context quotation, you might want to read all that he actually said (http://www.kremlin.ru/eng/speeches/2007/10/30/1918_type82912type82915_149844.shtml)

We have gathered to honour the memory of the victims of political repression between the 1930s and 1950s. But we are all well aware that 1937 is considered to be the year in which this repression peaked, though the brutality of the previous years had laid the ground for the events of 1937. It is sufficient to recall the shooting of hostages during the Civil War, the destruction of entire social classes, clergy, the dekulakization of peasants, and the execution of Cossacks. Such tragedies have occurred more than once in the history of mankind. And they happened when ideals, ideals that were attractive at first glance but proved empty in the end, were placed higher than fundamental values – the values of human life, human rights and freedoms. This is a particular tragedy for Russia because it took place on such a large scale. Those who were executed, sent to camps, shot and tortured number in the thousands and millions of people. Along with this, as a rule these were people with their own opinions. These were people who were not afraid to speak their mind. They were the most capable people. They are the pride of the nation. And of course over many years and today as well we still remember this tragedy. We need to do a great deal to ensure that this is never forgotten. To ensure that we always remember this tragedy. But we don’t need these memories in and of themselves. We need them to understand that of course we need political arguments and disagreements, in short a struggle of opinions to promote the country’s development and choose more effective ways of resolving the problems that face Russia today and those to come. However, to ensure that this process is not a destructive one but rather a creative one, this political struggle must not take place outside the framework of cultural and educational spheres. And in honouring the memory of past tragedies we need to base ourselves on the best things that our people have accomplished. We must combine our efforts and promote Russia's development. We have everything we need to do so.


armchair pessimist says:

Or is this about healing Russia from the disasterous 20th century? Putin honors the Imperial Past, he honors the USSR: a little white, a dash of red to put Russia back together again. The Soviet battle flag is restored but the remains of General Denekin(?) is returned to Russia and buried with full military honors. It's a little like our own informal and slow reconciliation of the blue and the gray. Whether by policy or by happenstance people's memory are rerouted--Robert E Lee and Stonewall Jackson are ranked among our greatest generals even though they fought us.

Anyway that's my ignorant thought of the day


armchair pessimist says:

cripes! My grammar is awful today!

Or is this about healing Russia from the disasterous 20th century? Putin honors the Imperial Past, he honors the USSR: a little white, a dash of red to put Russia back together again. The Soviet battle flag is restored but the remains of General Denekin(?) are returned to Russia and buried with full military honors. It's a little like our own informal and slow reconciliation of the blue and the gray. Whether by policy or by happenstance people's memory is rerouted--Robert E Lee and Stonewall Jackson are ranked among our greatest generals even though they fought us.

Anyway that's my ignorant thought of the day


La Russophobe says:

ARMSTRONG:

You are unspeakable filth. The link is right there in the post for all to read, the context readily available. You fail to acknowledge that what you are doing is simply to dilute and distract from his outrageous comment in the manner of a propagandist. You also fail to report that this is the first time Putin has EVER made such a visit in his entire presidency.

You're a despicable liar, a slanderer, a propagandist and a monumental hypocrite.


Russian Bear says:

RE: The Soviet Union killed 54.7 million between 1917 and 1987

Kim you sourse http://www.ncpa.org/studies/s211/s211.html
is wrong.
I am one of the live withesses. I lived in the USSR between 1954 and 1987. And I do not remember, and even had never heard of any events that could cause unnatural death of 8.1 mln. of Soviet people. What was that? Famines, wars or any kind of government actions? What kind of democide is your sourse talking about?

Kim, my advise:

If you do not want to be looking stupid, abandon this false, ridiculous statement.

You are overestimating the value and the credibility of all kind of sh*t you may find in the Internet.
For you, to give a LINK means to PROVE.
It is not so. Just go to any porno-site: You will find a lot of anals, orals, group, lesbians, rapes, gold showers...- all kind of that stuff. Does it mean all this is the true sex, most of the people enjoy?

Russian people have a saying:

Whatever one writes, a sheat of paper will allow it. Same about the Internet. Whatever one posts, any kind of BS, Internet will show it.
Do not trust every page you read, espsiialy if you read a russophobic site. Rossophobes are not the smartest people, I tell you.
Your graphomaniac anti-Russian publications is another proof of that.

Did you think about the statistics you are giving?

Look here: Russian Empire in 1914 had population of about 160 mln.
Finland, the Baltic states, a part of Poland and a part of Armenia (Kars) with population of 30 mln were lost (separated from Russia) after WW1. Russian casualties and deaths from WWI were about 3-4 mln.
So, for our census we have about 120 mln. to start with in 1917.
Than was the Russian Civil War with about 9 mln deaths (not all caused by the actions of the Reds, there was the other side too).
Even simple demographic calculation shows that if they had 120 mln in to begin with, with 57 mln killed by Stalin, 26 mln lost during WWII), minus tens of millions people who were, as your sources say, in GULAG, and therefore could not make children, the USSR would not have population of 293 mln. in 1991. Who fought back the Germans? Where they got people to keep 5 mln. Army after the war? Who were those people who implemented the Virgin Land project in 50-th? Who built huge power plants, worked at factories? Where they come from?

Now, there is no Stalin and communists in Russia. Tere is just poor economical situation, and Russia already has a demographic crisis; her population is declining.
So and if they had the government killing of that scale in the USSR, how come the population of the USSR was growing?

Do you think they in the USSR multiplied like bacteria by splitting every minute? Or they did it by the way of parthogenes? Or Stalin grew kids in incubators?

PS. I bought Putin's mask, and I am going to come to you in your tonight nightmaire.
Trick or Treat!



Amphipolis says:

Your figure for China is low - Chang and Halliday's recent biography of Mao puts it at 70 million.


La Russophobe says:

Amphipolis:

That doesn't make the figure low. Lots of people put the Soviet figure higher too. To be meaningful, you need to show that Chang and Halliday have data for the USSR that is lower than for China.

And in the end, Putin didn't say "China might have been worse than us," now did he?


Amphipolis says:

Chang and Halliday put the Soviet number much lower, I don't remember how low probably near your figure. Mao was willing to kill 300 million Chinese if necessary. But there is no sense arguing who was the worst monster. Putin's statement does not mitigate the Soviet horror.

Stalin put Mao in power with his invasion of China after WWII. Mao had more people, and more time, to kill.


La Russophobe says:

Amphipolis:

(a) I'll take you at your word but I'd rather have a link. Can you?

(b) Doesn't mean anything except that your source disagrees with mine (and the others which say Russia is the worst).

(c) Glad to know we see eye-to-eye on the main point! The fact that A has murdered six grandmothers only excuses B from murdering five in a place as benighted as Russia. Hence, Zaire with permafrost.


Amphipolis says:

Here's the book (I highly recommend it):
http://www.amazon.com/Mao-Story-Jung-Chang/dp/0679746323/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-5506381-0410445?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1193948310&sr=8-1

According to Mao: The Unknown Story, "Mao Ze-Dong, who for decades held absolute power over the lives of one-quarter of the world's population, was responsible for well over 70 million deaths in peacetime, more than any other twentieth century leader" and claimed that he was willing for half of China to die to achieve military-nuclear superpowerdom.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao:_The_Unknown_Story

The above quote is from the first line of the book.

Nobody counted the bodies. These statistics are all estimates. I do believe Mao's toll was far more than Stalin's. Even the Soviet advisers were shocked by the carnage in China.


Artfldgr says:

i am getting tired of how many people are A-Historical.. that they talk as if their imaginations represent the actual history. they percieve that nothing happened not because it didnt happen, but beacuse how audacious, evil, and nasty it would be if it did, and that they HAVE to deny it, in order to feel better about themselves. otherwise they were a small part of it, not understanding that complicity DOES make a difference, and ignorance in THIS case IS a valid excuse.

however, Russian Bear shows that even accepting humble ignorance is not in the 'nature' of the situation. one cant accept the diminishment of not being fully aware of the totaltiarian states actions, as if some denial of that, proves that it wasnt that way.

well, here is my answer to you.. you wanted sources. you get sources... the sources were the Russian state itself!! now who are you going to believe, when all your options are against your point? the only people believing different are useful idiots who have a different feeling about events. obviously the russian state who released the day to day records, believes what happened. obviously putin believes what happens, being a chekist he can apprciate the false benifits, and usefulness. and those in the west not deluded by their own inability to get their mind around it, know what happens.

is it lonely where you are, standing by yourself in a land of fantasy?

I am one of the live withesses. I lived in the USSR between 1954 and 1987. And I do not remember, and even had never heard of any events that could cause unnatural death of 8.1 mln. of Soviet people. What was that? Famines, wars or any kind of government actions? What kind of democide is your sourse talking about?

You admit that you were there DURING totalitarian state control, a control that they admit to, and you still sit there and believe that you would actually know what is happening? however, lets give you your wont.

At least 15 of 114 GULAG camps supported the construction of nuclear facilities.6 In late 1947, over 20,000 prisoners were working in Ozersk, and about 10,000 were in Sarov. There were over 18,000 prisoners in Novouralsk during 1950-51. Over 27,000 were in Zheleznogorsk in 1953.

Source: These 15 camps contained about 100,000 prisoners out of the 2.7 million in the GULAG as of 1950. E. Animitsa, N. Vlasova, E. Dvoryadkina, N. Novikova, and V. Safronov, Russia's Closed Nuclear Cities: Features of Development and Management (Yekaterinburg: Urals State Economics University, 2002).

The Soviet government adopted several measures to minimize the security risk posed by the prison labor force. The KGB's policy was not to send prisoners with sentence terms of less than five years or those with sentences expiring in less than three years to nuclear sites. After completing nuclear construction projects, the prisoners finished their terms at the Vorkuta camps in Siberia, which were famous for their remoteness and harsh conditions. When released from the camps, the prisoners were sent to far away regions in the north and to Central Asia. Only in 1955, after several cooling-off years, were some of them allowed to return to central Russia. According to a journalist's account: "[T]he news spread quickly throughout all GULAG camps that [a nuclear construction assignment] was effectively the same as a death sentence." Source: [Vladimir Gubarev, "Main Object," Sovetskaya Belarrusia, 23 August 2003.]

Did you know what was going on at the nuclear development sites? Did you know what was going on at the biological weapons sites? Were you high up in the Dumas, or were you just an average lumpen proletariat who they would not inform anything to as there is no need for you to know?

Its hard to just pick out stuff from 1954 onward to the fall of the wall.. but not that hard, the prisoners sent there in 1953 were not let out… and after that, the things get a bit harder as the numbers were never as large as before stalins death. But that doesn’t reletivate that torture and experimentation on the population (even now with their policies), is the way of life of the leadership.

And you picked your date because 1953, the year of stalins death marks for soviets the presumed end of the system. meanwhile, it deflects the actual assertions date… which is 1917 to 1987.. NOT 1954 to 1987…

You conveniently cut off 37 of the worst years, and then assert that she is wrong as if those 37 years were not included in the original assertion..

Since it starts in 1917, and NOT 1954… lets include some of the largest things…

First, check out the SIZE of Kolmya, it was an area 6 TIMES The size of france and composed of more than 100 camps.

In 1956, kruschev made the public think he was a good guy by pardoning everyone in the system… but he was a part of those purges himself!!! Particularly the period in the 1930s when they murdered well over 400,000 ukrainians.

in 1944-46, Khrushchev was responsible for the liquidation of the Ukrainian Catholic Church and continued the suppression of the Ukrainian Orthodox Autocephalic Church.

in 1954-55, with his so-called virgin land policy, he precipitated a forcible resettlement of countless Ukrainian youth, male and female, to Kazakhstan. This, too, was really an act of genocide, a nation-destroying type of deportation under cover of economic resettlement.

Mr. Arens. - How many graves were discovered?
Mr. Pavlovych. - During the period from May 24 to October 7, we discovered on Pidlisna Street 39 graves. One was empty; 5,644 bodies were in them.
Then, in the Orthodox Cemetery, 42 graves, 2,405 bodies; and in the Park of Culture and Recreation - we call it Gorky Park - 14 graves, 1,390 bodies.
Mr. Arens. - How many bodies were discovered in all?
Mr. Pavlovych. - 9,439.
Mr. Arens. - In how many mass graves?
Mr. Pavlovych. - Ninety-five graves altogether.
Mr. Arens. - Where photographs taken of the bodies and the graves?
Mr. Pavlovych. - Yes.

They dug them up themselves, they photographed them… and you sit here and play games as to these things asserting that you would know as if you were stalin himself!


Mr. Prychodko. - I was in slave labor camps in Ivdel, about 600 miles northeast of Sverdlov. At the end of my time in the concentration camp, I was on the edge of death because of extremely hard work and scarce food. In the entire complex there were 350,000 slaves. In the particular camp in which I was interned, there were around 3,000 slave laborers. The rate of death was approximately 15 per day while I was there.
Maybe we know because not everyone was killed… because the archives were opened… because generals defected not being able to stomach being a part of that system.
Its not just the murders, its this process of cultural genocide too
The Russian language is being forced upon Ukraine and is being branded as a second mother language. What I mean to say is that now it appears that there are two mother languages: on is the Ukrainian's native language and another one is forced - Russian.
Moreover, the population of Ukraine forms actually 21 percent of the whole population of the Soviet Union. Of the journals in the Soviet Union, there are being published at present only 3 percent in the Ukrainian language.
However, when we consider the Russian population, which is about 50 percent of the Soviet Union's, we see that there are about 92 percent of journals and magazines in the Russian language and 81 percent of books being published in that language.
This naturally is another means of the Russification policy being pursued by Khrushchev. Even during Stalin's regime the figures were more favorable toward Ukraine.
The teaching of the complete history of Ukraine is not permitted.

THIS is why the states that have separated want them out…
How about the Katyn Forest Massacre? 21,857 executed outright…
One of the things fitrs what stalin said… he realized that our minds were not meant to handle numbers that are so large…
One death is a tradjedy, a million deaths a statistic.
The outrage for the 3000 killed in the world trade center is humongous compared to the outrage from one of thousands of events the soviets have accomplished that killed many many more.
250,000 executed by the Cheka during the "Red Terror" and Russian civil war. (citing The Cheka: Lenin's Political Police by George Leggett)
Between 300,000 and 500,000 Cossacks killed or deported in 1919 and 1920
7.2 to 10.8 million deaths during dekulakization and collectivization (citing Stalin and His Hangmen: the Tyrant and Those Who Killed For Him by Donald Rayfield)
700,000 executed during the Great Terror of 1937-38 (citing Stalin: the Court of the Red Tsar by Simon Sebag Montefiore); [this does not include those who were beaten/tortured to death during "interrogation" or deaths in the gulag during this time, which would put it over a million.]
1 million Polish citizens deported by November 1940; 30% of whom were dead by 1941 (citing Stalin: The Court of the Red Tsar by Simon Sebag Montefiore) and 21,857 executed outright (i.e. Katyn) by the NKVD during the Nazi-Soviet pact (citing Autopsy for an Empire by Dimitri Volkogonov)
4.5 million (citing Gulag: A History by Anne Applebaum) to 12 million (citing How to Prevent Genocide: A Guide for Policymakers, Scholars, and the Concerned Citizen by John G. Heidenrich) deaths in the Gulag from 1918 to 1956.
To all this you can add the ethic cleansing of minorities… Chechens, Crimean taters, kalmyks, Volga germans, and the list goes on…
I do want to begin with a brief account of what we have learned about the camps since the time of Stalin's death, and in particular what we know now that we did not know 10 years ago. For I do not want to claim that, in writing a narrative history of the Gulag,1 I have discovered a new topic that has never been touched upon before: Solzhenitsyn's Gulag Archipelago, the history of the camp system that he published in the West in the 1970s, largely got it right. Although he had no access to archives, and based all of his writing on letters and memoirs of other prisoners, he did, it now appears, get the general outline of the history right, proving that prisoners' gossip was not so wrong as many historians tried to claim.
In the years I spent researching this book, however, I concluded that archives can make a difference. I was able to work in archives in Moscow and Karelia, and had access to many documents already copied out of archives in St. Petersburg, Perm, Vorkuta, Kolyma, and Novosibirsk. At one point, I was handed a part of the archive of a small camp called Kedrovy Shor, in the far north, and politely asked if I wanted to buy it--which I did, of course.
What was available to me was often quite ordinary--the day-to-day archive of the Gulag administration, for example, with inspectors' reports, financial accounts, letters from the camp directors to their supervisors in Moscow. Yet when reading these documents, the full extent of the system, and its importance to the Soviet economy, comes into focus.
Thanks to archives, we now know that there were at least 476 camp systems, each one made up of hundreds, even thousands of individual camps or lagpunkts, sometimes spread out over thousands of square miles of otherwise empty tundra. We know that the vast majority of prisoners in them were peasants and workers, not the intellectuals who later wrote memoirs and books. We know that, with a few exceptions, the camps were not constructed in order to kill people--Stalin preferred to use firing squads to conduct mass executions.

Ok… so the reasearcher got his information from the records of the camps themselves. you can also see that stalin was also acutely aware of the semblance difference between efficiently killing people with special facilities, and just killing them with no special attention..
between 1929, when they first became a mass phenomenon, and 1953, the year of Stalin's death, some 18 million people passed through them. In addition, a further 6 or 7 million people were deported, not to camps but to exile villages. In total, that means the number of people with some experience of imprisonment in Stalin's Soviet Union could have run as high as 25 million, about 15 percent of the population.
Could this be why the older people don’t want to go near the internet? That they know that the whole thing can come back with just an order from someone… that the reason it doesn’t exist is not that its BAD, but that no one thinks it will fulfill their current goals, since their games are with the west who does care. if the west fell, you can be sure that these camps WOULD come back… you only need to know that the same forces in the US have already built similar ones in the US!!! (you can find the documentation at army.mil). after all, the biggest lesson that stalin taught us was that the state can get away with it IF the state does it in a big way… then the minds cant comprehend it and the dissonance causes it not to register. Everyone believes its an exaggeration, that it couldn’t be that big, etc.
That in and of itself is a major portion of soviet intrigue in the world… AUDACITY as a cover.
If we had sent civilians, we would first have had to build houses for them to live in. And how could civilians live there? With prisoners it is easy--all you need is a barrack, a stove with a chimney, and they survive. - Alexei Loginov, former deputy commander of the Norilsk camps, north of the Arctic Circle
Maybe this is how we know… unlike the pharohs, stalin didn’t have everyone else killed upon his death.
The reports reminded me of the inspectors of Gogol's era: The forms were observed, the reports were filed, and effects on actual human beings were ignored. Camp commanders were routinely reprimanded for failing to improve living conditions, living conditions continued to fail to improve, and the discussion ended there.
The level of detail also, however, clears up any remaining doubt about who was in control of the camp, the central government or the regional bosses. Back in Moscow, they knew what the camps were like, and they knew in great detail.

No wiggle room, its their own archives that is the source of the information.
Without question, the expansion of the camps distorted the Soviet economy. With so much cheap labor available, the Soviet economy took far longer than it should have to become mechanized. Problems were solved by calling for more workers. With so many poorly trained people working under coercion, construction was not of the highest quality either. By one account, labor productivity among free workers in the forestry industry was nearly three times that of the prisoners working in the forestry camps.
But the camps also distorted the way people in the lands of the former Soviet Union think about economics, a point I would like to illustrate by describing a trip I took a couple of years ago to the city of Vorkuta, on the Arctic Circle.
Vorkuta's history begins in 1931, when a group of colonists first arrived in the region by boat, up the northern waterways. Although even the tsars had known about the region's enormous coal reserves, no one had managed to work out precisely how to get the coal out of the ground, given the sheer horror of life in a place where temperatures regularly drop to -30 degrees or -40 degrees in the winter, where the sun does not shine for six months of the year, and where--as I can testify--in the summertime flies and mosquitoes travel in great dark clouds.
But Stalin found a way by making use of another sort of vast reserve. Vorkuta's 23 original settlers were, of course, prisoners, and the leaders of that founding expedition were, of course, secret policemen. Over the subsequent two and a half decades, a million more prisoners passed through Vorkuta, one of the two or three most notorious hubs of the Gulag.
With the help of prisoners, the Soviet authorities built a city with shops and schools and later swimming pools. Yet the cost of heating shoddy Soviet apartment blocks for 11 months of the year was astronomical, far more than the value of the coal itself. The city's infrastructure, built on constantly shifting permafrost, required huge efforts to maintain. Miners could, instead, have been flown in and out on two-week shifts, as they are in Canada or Alaska. Nevertheless, Vorkuta, now a city of 200,000 people, kept going throughout the 1970s and 1980s and still exists today.
The truth, of course, is that Vorkuta was and still is completely unnecessary. Why build kindergartens and university lecture halls in the tundra? Why build puppet theatres? Vorkuta has three. Yet in Vorkuta, you cannot ask such questions, even now.
You cannot ask them, for example, of Zhenya, a retired geologist with whom I spent the better part of a day. Together, we walked around the city, around the prisoners' cemeteries, around the ruined geological institute--a once-solid structure, complete with a columned, Stalinist portico and a red star on the pediment. Although her Polish parents had been arrested and deported here in the 1940s, although she knows and willingly recounts the city's history, Zhenya nevertheless spent a good part of the day railing against the "thief-democrats" and "greedy bureaucrats" who had, rather sensibly, decided to shut the institute down. If your whole life has been associated with a place, it is hard to admit that the place need never have existed.

So rather than be the good hero they now make him out to be, like a socialist in the west, the actions ended up increasing the misery for longer and longer. (fdr and the new deal)
One of the things that always strikes contemporary visitors to Russia is the lack of monuments to the victims of Stalin's execution squads and concentration camps. There are a few scattered memorials, but no national monument or place of mourning. Worse, 15 years after glasnost, 10 years after the collapse of the Soviet Union, there have been no trials, no truth and reconciliation commissions, no government inquiries into what happened in the past, and no public debate.
This was not always the case. During the 1980s, when glasnost was just beginning in Russia, Gulag survivors' memoirs sold millions of copies, and a new revelation about the past could sell out a newspaper. But more recently, history books containing similar "revelations" are badly reviewed or ignored. The president of Russia is a former KGB agent who describes himself as a "Chekist," the word for Stalin's political police.
The reasons for this are not hard to fathom. Life is genuinely difficult in Russia today, and most Russians, who spend all of their time trying to cope, do not want to discuss the past. The Stalinist era was a long time ago, and a great deal has happened since it ended. Post-Soviet Russia is not the same as post-Nazi Germany, where the memories of the worst atrocities were still in people's minds.

But there is also a question of pride. Like Zhenya, many experienced the collapse of the Soviet Union as a personal blow. Perhaps the old system was bad, they now feel, but at least we were powerful. And now that we are not powerful, we do not want to hear that it was bad.

Far and away, though, the most important explanation for the lack of debate is not the fears and anxieties of the ordinary Russian, but the power and prestige of those now ruling the country. In December 2001, on the 10th anniversary of the dissolution of the Soviet Union, 13 of the 15 former Soviet republics were run by former communists, as were many of the satellite states.
To put it bluntly, former communists have no interest in discussing the past. It tarnishes them, undermines them, hurts their image as "reformers." Sometimes they end discussion subtly; sometimes they do so bluntly. Just a few weeks ago, Hungary's new post-communist government cut the funding and fired the board of directors of Budapest's new museum dedicated to the history of communism and fascism, which the previous government had erected at great cost.
And this matters: The failure to acknowledge or repent affects politics and society across the region. Would the Russians truly be able to conduct a war in Chechnya if they remembered what Stalin did to the Chechens? During the Second World War, Stalin accused the Chechens of collaboration with the Germans, but instead of punishing collaborators--if there were any--he punished the whole nation. Every Chechen man, woman, and child was put on a truck or a cattle car and sent to the deserts of Central Asia. Thousands wound up in camps. Half of them died. To invade Chechnya again, at the end of the 20th century, was the moral equivalent of Germany re-invading Poland, yet very few Russians saw it that way.
Yet the failure to fully absorb the lessons of the past has consequences for ordinary Russians too. It can be argued, for example, that the Russian failure to delve properly into the past also explains the Russian insensitivity to the slow growth of censorship, and to the continued, heavy presence of the secret police.
It may also explain the stunning absence of judicial and police reform. In 1998, I visited a criminal prison in Arkhangelsk and emerged reeling from what I'd seen. The women's cells, with their hot, heavy air and powerful smells, made me feel as if I were walking back into the past. Next door, in the juvenile cell, I met a sobbing, 15-year-old girl who had been accused of stealing the ruble equivalent of $10. She had been in jail, without a hearing, for a week.
Afterwards, I spoke to the prison boss. It all came down to money, he told me. The prison warders were rude because they were badly paid. The ventilation was bad because the building was old and needed repairs. Electricity was expensive, so the corridors were dark. Trials were delayed because there were not enough judges.
I was not convinced. Money is a problem, but it is not the whole story. If Russia's prisons look like a scene from a Gulag memoir, and if Russia's courts and criminal investigations are a sham, that is partly because the Soviet legacy does not haunt Russia's criminal police, secret police, judges, jailers, or even businessmen. But then, very few people in contemporary Russia feel the past to be a burden or an obligation at all. Like a great, unopened Pandora's box, the past lies in wait for the next generation.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/RussiaandEurasia/HL-800.cfm


Artfldgr says:

the link is at the bottom...

This is a story from a book I’m reading by Natan Sharansky, “Fear No Evil” (1988) about his trial and time in the Soviet Gulag. He was a Soviet Refusnik who eventually was released (1986) and emigrated to Israel:

“Harold Kivilio was an Estonian whose cot was next to mine in the barracks. When the secret police came to his farm in the late 1940s to transport the entire family to Siberia, he and his brothers managed to join the partisans, but the KGB sent his parents and sister into exile. One after another, his brothers and friends were killed, and Harold remained alone in the forest. For years he lived with his girlfriend in a bunker. When she became seriously ill, he sent her to friends in the city. When troops combed the forest and surrounded it, he kept moving from one spot to another.

He had become a beekeeper, and each time he moved he carried the beehives on his shoulders. In 1957, when capital punishment was abolished for a brief time, he was one of the last to come out of hiding. He was given 25 years of camp and was serving the last 2 years when I met him. He served with dignity.

Each afternoon when Harold returned from work he would read his 2 favorite magazines, “Floriculture” and “Beekeeping”. They even permitted him to tend a small flower bed, and although it was forbidden to cultivate any food products in the camp, Kivilio managed to plant grasses that were high in vitamins, which he surreptitiously fed to me and other starved dissidents who had arrived from prison or the camp lockup. Without attracting attention, Kivilio shared his enormous camp experience with me, telling me who could be trusted, how the system of informers worked, and so on.

Years later an eyewitness described Harold’s release when his 25 years were up. He was met by his sister, his sole surviving relative. As they drove away she began to explain that her children knew nothing about why Harold had served time, and she asked him not to involve her family in politics.

“Stop the car,” Harold ordered. As he got out he added, “You don’t know me and I don’t know you. Good-bye.” Refused permission to settle in Estonia, he finally went to a Latvian village and returned to his occupation, beekeeping.”

Isn’t that an amazing story? We’re so blessed to have been born in the USA, and not the USSR! Don’t ever forget it. BTW, Sharansky was in prison for 9 years for simply wanting to emigrate to Israel

http://living-creatures.blogspot.com/2007_01_01_archive.html


Russian Bear says:

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The source LR was citing and we discus
http://www.ncpa.org/studies/s211/s211.html
speaks about democide, about governments killing own citizens.
It is stating:
During the Stalin era (1929-53), about 42.7 million people were killed in the Soviet Union, while 8.1 million were killed in the following 34 years.

I say, the source is not trustworthy. It states clearly about 8.1 millions of the USSR citizens killed by the government after Stalin's death.

I do not go to Stalin time intentionally. I did not live at that time. I am leaving it to the ones who wants to use the ecsagerrated numbers of Stalin repressions for their propaganda. I
know the USSR in the time after Stalin. And there were no wars, famines, mass deportations, "Great Terrors", "minor terrors", there were no Polish prizoners, and even forcible deportations of Ukrainian youth to the Virgin Lands like you believe.
Amnesty for political prisoners began being effective starting 1954, the last Gulag camp was closed in 1956, Chechens and other deported nations were allowed to return in 1957.
There were 2 political crimes still listed in the USSR Penal Code Antisoviet propaganda and Spreading of slander about the Soviet state and society.
Most of the dissidents got their sentences on these charges. And nobody of them was sentenced to death. And there were just 1-2 thousands of so called dissidents.
So tell me, buddy, where 8.1 million of death come from?
All your excursions in fiction and all your statistic of Stalin time does not count.

Sharanskiy was sentenced not for his wish to go to Israel, but for his activity which considered to be anti-Soviet and punishable by the existing at that time law.
KGB was not the body making the policies and passing the laws. The Communist Party of the USSR and the Supreme Council were.
KGB was law enforcement, like FBI.
If dissidents broke the existing laws, they were persecuted. The law was not good? Glory to the dissidents for their boldness and courage, but KGB did their job.
Imagine, you do not like a street sign prohibiting left turn at the intersection. You think it is wrong to have that sign here. It is up to you. Think. But if you turn left the cop will give you a ticket and whatever you say about the wrong place for the sign does not matter.


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I want a chance to put my invention on the moon at Luther crater. Modern electronics will care for the funnel tunnels from aproximitly about 3,740,000 black holes in deep space that leak out the two elements. I never talked to space aliens about this but I talked to spirit Angels by quickly looking about 2 feet or 3 feet in front of me to see thoughtforms the spirits use to teach me about the questions I asked them telepathically. They are good at showing colors related to physics and they can make an idea or word pop into my head sometimes. Im not good at channeling. I want to link to the gravity thick black holes with a 10 inch crystal that projects a 78 foot bubble. Cold superconducters 42 in number will be placed in front of the black holes with a space craft. A quality gold lazer naturally a 74 vibration is treated to expand to a 1956 vibe that turns on 90 circles, maybe stuck like Metalica. and the laser has 935 sleepies in the 19th magnetic field.The state of 21 crystals found in stars in wich the crystals bends and fluxuates is made into 5 duplicate atomic lakes in a red box with a big triangle in it, this is the essence of a flame. Stars like the Sun have 8 crystals in their center and 13 over that. The 1st crystal in the very center has 8502 atomic eggs in it, like an indomatable first drama with a 3 crabs in in it. Did you know that a nuetron has a square-chip with 1138 lines on it. like an ugly donate voltage stopper. Be carefull with that fact it might lead to a white-bronze portal to nothing! The spirits say there is a wall of emerald, pink and violet smash gut nuetrons with 3 to 85 biting blue ones, pink is the one with a deep connection to spiritual energy. Colors red & blue wrestle with each other and high density high intesity pastal quasie colors are made in the spirit energy spectrum. A new invention can become reality that harnesses the black hole leak matarial at Luther crater. So join my contest to intiutivly channel about an inspired device. People please e-mail me if you have any more ideas on this area of Quantem Physics and it will be added to the blog here.

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The 1st and 9th crystal in all stars have 1718 void states with 130 to 15 magnets in that


Scott Florance says:

Black holes in outer space are intense spots where matter callapses. Some of the spirits of God might be trapped inside them . They are helpless, neglected and angry. Use your Phycic Command Power to get them out. There might be 835 alternate universes 100's of billions af light years away. I asked the Archangels wich are the Lights of Devine Action to make a funnel tunnel from the center of every black hole with an Angel spirit trapped inside it in the entire multiverse. At the center of moon crater Luther in Mare- Serenitatis on its very surface. Here the funnel tunnels will combine and leak out the elements silver and thorium 234 from the center of the black holes in all the 835 universes mixed together at the crater sight. This Demensional Gate I call the Pavocrux Gate will energize a green phere in the astral ghost realm to help the trapped Angels escape the black holes. The Gate will open on the moon every Tousday at 9 P.M Maryland D.C time for five minutes. Try to make the transfer phere supply an escape route from the black hole for the spirits with your Phycic Command Power. At the last 30 seconds of the 5 minutes every Tousday the Angels will talk with telepathy about having fun being handy at making some normal D.N.A cells that can live in the black holes in deep space, new life created in the center of galaxies is also aproached. Somewhere millions of light years away are Angels incaged in an uncomfortable state. Invent a particle accelerater electronics system that reaches through a portal and loosens the grip of angel traps in other galaxies. Or sends an energy beam into a black hole that will put the scared spirit angels in outer space into a problem free base.


I want a chance to put my invention on the moon at Luther crater. Modern electronics will care for the funnel tunnels from aproximitly about 3,740,000 black holes in deep space that leak out the two elements. I never talked to space aliens about this but I talked to spirit Angels by quickly looking about 2 feet or 3 feet in front of me to see thoughtforms the spirits use to teach me about the questions I asked them telepathically. They are good at showing colors related to physics and they can make an idea or word pop into my head sometimes. Im not good at channeling. I want to link to the gravity thick black holes with a 10 inch crystal that projects a 78 foot bubble. Cold superconducters 42 in number will be placed in front of the black holes with a space craft. A quality gold lazer naturally a 74 vibration is treated to expand to a 1956 vibe that turns on 90 circles, maybe stuck like Metalica. and the laser has 935 sleepies in the 19th magnetic field.The state of 21 crystals found in stars in wich the crystals bends and fluxuates is made into 5 duplicate atomic lakes in a red box with a big triangle in it, this is the essence of a flame. Stars like the Sun have 8 crystals in their center and 13 over that. The 1st crystal in the very center has 8502 atomic eggs in it, like an indomatable first drama with a 3 crabs in in it. Did you know that a nuetron has a square-chip with 1138 lines on it. like an ugly donate voltage stopper. Be carefull with that fact it might lead to a white-bronze portal to nothing! The spirits say there is a wall of emerald, pink and violet smash gut nuetrons with 3 to 85 biting blue ones, pink is the one with a deep connection to spiritual energy. Colors red & blue wrestle with each other and high density high intesity pastal quasie colors are made in the spirit energy spectrum. A new invention can become reality that harnesses the black hole leak matarial at Luther crater. So join my contest to intiutivly channel about an inspired device. People please e-mail me if you have any more ideas on this area of Quantem Physics and it will be added to the blog here.

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The 1st and 9th crystal in all stars have 1718 void states with 130 to 15 magnets in that


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