Democratic Doings in Mississippi: Stormclouds on the Democrats' Horizon

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Via data from CNN, the Daily Kos posts the two charts above, which show the results of a Mississippi exit poll (Barack Obama cruised to easy victory there last night). DK crows about how only 4% of those who would be unsatisfied with an Obama nomination would be Obama voters, while nearly four times more of those unsatisfied with a Clinton win would be Clinton voters. They believe this shows Clinton's support is hollower than that of their man.

Yet, amazingly, DK ignores the other point the poll data is making. The result shows that a whopping 32% of Democrats will be unsatisfied if Obama wins, and even more (39%) will be unsatisfied if Clinton wins. That means that nearly one-third of all Democrat voters will be unsatisfied no matter who wins -- and the Republicans have nominated the perfect candidate, John "Moderate/Independent Magnate" McCain, to grab all those unsatisfied folks. Think conservatives disaffected by McCain will vote for the Dems? Think again. Just 66% of Democrat voters will be satisfied if Obama wins the nomination, their best-case scenario (60% in Clinton's case).

That's hardly an indication that Democrats can unify around the ultimate winner, now is it? And just imagine if, as seems quite possible, a divisive brokered convention is the way that winner is chosen, something that hasn't even happened yet -- nor has either candidate been subjected to a roasting from the Republicans. The fact that before the real campaign even begins and despite George Bush's lack of popularity Democrats can still have such a high level of dissatisfaction speaks volumes about the quality of their candidates.

It's simply jaw-dropping that the DK can play such blatant propaganda games with data like this. It reminds me of the USSR. No wonder the Democrats haven't reelected an elected president with a majority of the popular vote since World War II.

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wow says:

"Moderate/Independent Magnate" McCain

McCain's two biggest policy stands, far as I can gather, are the following

1) Staying in Iraq for 'as long as it takes'
(even up to 100 years! that's popular right?)

2) Increasing immigration from Mexico and legalizing those already here.

These are the positions of an 'independant vote magnate'??

La Russophobe says:

Liberal immigration policy is rejected by conservatives and embraced by the left. Hence, many voters from the left will vote for McCain because of his position. Conservatives, however, will not defect and vote for the left. At most, some will abstain, but many are now coming around to actively support McCain.

It's quite true that McCain's stand on the war is controversial, but there are many conservative Democrats who fully support our troops and mission. And it's also quite clear that the country is worried much more about economic issues right now than the war, which is going rather well due to the surge.

The idea that McCain is a two-issue candidate is pure gibberish. Only a real ignoramus would make such a suggestion. Your ignorance of basic facts about the election and the issues would prevent an intelligent person from commenting and embarrassing himself with gibberish.

nice says:

Kim,

I like how you respond RIGHT AWAY to posts that strike your fancy but completely fail to respond to other ones where you can't avoid looking foolish (and dont act like you have better things to do, we all know you don't and that you monitor this website more closely than Stalin monitored his politburo)

'And it's also quite clear that the country is worried much more about economic issues right now than the war, which is going rather well due to the surge.'

Really, it's quite clear? Do you have any proof of this beyond your insanse assumptions? I agree that the economy is a mess (it's really beyond argument at this point, despite the best efforts of you and the various pro-Bush hacks) but I think one can make a rather convincing case this is linked to Iraq and that spending hundreds of billions of dollars to stabilize a godforsaken part of the Middle East during a recession is a pretty idiotic proposition.

And the argument that the war is going 'rather well' is simply absurd. The war can only be considered to be 'going well' using out previous totaly inteptitude as a guidepost. We've been in Iraq longer than we were in WWII and what do we have to show for it? Several hundred Iraqi civilians are still incinerated every month and, by even the most optimistic forecasts, our troops will have to stay for at least another 3-4 years to 'guarantee victory.' America's fallen pretty low if it takes longer to defeat a bunch of half-assed jihadist morons than it did to simultaneously defeat two large, powerful, and aggressive fascist dictatorships.

What are McCain's other issues, dear? He's professed basic ignorance about economics, and he's embraced what you admit is an idiotic border policy (actually, more like championed) and he is gung-ho on a war that a great majority of Americans want to end as soon as possible. I don't expect many conservatives to 'defect' to the Democrats, but you seriously underestimate the prospect that they simply sit on their hands and stay at home. Given the fact that McCain secured the Republican nomination without majority support from self-identified conservatives (who largely went to Romney and to a lesser extent Huckabee) I don't think its a radical idea that many actual conservatives given the choice between a self-important war mongering egomaniac and a self-important leftist laweyer will simply decide to stay home and watch football.

vova says:

This situation where "[A] whopping 32% of Democrats will be unsatisfied if Obama wins, and even more (39%) will be unsatisfied if Clinton wins" is not surprising.
Imagine a straight guy walking into a bar and seeing just two ladies there: one is coyote-ugly and the other is double-coyote-ugly. Not much of a choice.
Sure they are unhappy. But these are just the primaries, and in the primaries people vote for their sentiments while in the general election they vote for their interests.
I voted for Alan Keys in the VA primary knowing full well that he won't be nominated and voted for Bush in the general election.

right on kim says:

Some quotes from 'Iraq's 100-Year Mortgage' in the March/April issue of Foreign Policy

'Even in the most optimistic scenario, assuming that the majority of US troops are withdrawn by the end of 2009, the cost of providing for Iraq War veterens will match what we have already spend waging the war: approximately $500 billion.'

'When we think about the costs of war, we tend to focus on the here and now. But in what is already the second-most expensive conflict in US history, after WWII, the costs of Iraq will persist long after the last shot is fired'

'Staggering though they are, these costs only represent the impact of the war on the US federal budget. The many social and economic costs that the government does not pay, such as the loss to the economy os so many young, productive Americans the costs paid by state and local governments, communities, and private medical providers could add another $415 billion to the total cost to the economy'

Yup, that sure sounds to me like a war that is going, 'relatively well'!

vova says:

Kim,

I "like" it when readers tell you what your blog policy should be and which posts you absolutely have to dignify with a response.

Having said that, let me disagree:

"Liberal immigration policy is rejected by conservatives and embraced by the left"

Well, yes and no. The WSJ conservative are actually for liberal immigration; they, as some other conservatives, feel that it is odd when the government prosecutes some people simply because they want to work (forgetting that they are here illegally) while there are so many who won't work and are on the dole, costing us all a lot in terms of taxes and social ills.

vova sucks says:

vova,

i like it when you complete a full sentence without
1) making a gross grammatical error
2) talking about your desire to kill all 'pravoslavny trash'

since this never happens, i guess what i'm saying is that i don't like you very much

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