Publius Pundit: Russian Protest Babes: Speaking Truth to Power, and Looking Fierce Doing it! Archive

vova says:

"She's beautiful, glamorous, and identified as a public enemy by Vladimir Putin's craven Kremlin" and most importantly, still alive and kicking ass!!!

The sociology department gals who were dismissed from Moscow State University were accused of, inter alia, being Matasha Morar's acquaintances.

misha says:

"Russian Protest Babes: Speaking Truth to Power, and Looking Fierce Doing it!"

There you go again getting the most basic facts of your story all wrong. First of all Natalya Morar is not Russian, she is Moldavian and a citizen of Moldova. As you may know Moldova used to be part of the USSR, as Russia itself was. But since the dissolution of the Soviet Union these two countries are separate sovereign entities.

Why should Russia grant an entry visa to someone whom Russia has identified as an undesirable person? A person has no intrinsic "right" to enter a foreign country. Civil rights are rights that countries grant to their citizens, but foreign nationals living abroad have no civil rights in Russia. This is not some unique Russian idea, but every other country interprets this the same way.

The US and other countries routinely deny foreign nationals entry visas based explicitly (and exclusively) on political reasons. For example, British national John Lennon was famously denied a visa to visit the US by the Nixon Administration based on his outspoken opposition to the Vietnam War [1] ("All we are saying is give peace a chance.") More recently the artist formerly known as Cat Stevens was denied and entry visa to the US based on his advocacy of Islam and his association with individuals that the US government considers to be undesirable. [3]

"The anarchist leader Emma Goldman was deported in 1919 after speaking out against World War I and in favor of anarchism. She was an immigrant who became a citizen but had been stripped of her citizenship in 1908 on the grounds that she was an anarchist. That made her subject to deportation under the Sedition Act of 1918, which gave the federal government the power to declare non-citizens “undesirable aliens” and deport them. Thousands of other antiwar radicals were deported along with her. (The same law included a wholesale attack on freedom of speech—it made it a crime to use “disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language” about the government, the flag or the military forces during war, and it banned antiwar publications from the mail.)" [2]

Sources:
[1] http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/07/amy-winehouse-denied-entry-to-us/
[2] http://www.truthdig.com/report/print/20060912_john_lennon_politics_deportation/
[3] http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/catstevens/articles/story/6511671/cat_stevens_denied_entry

You can hardly blame a country for refusing admission to foreign nationals who are self-admitted enemies of that country. Like the US Russia also maintains a centralized electronic database of foreign nationals who are (for whatever reason) simply not wanted in Russia. Russia checks the passports of everyone entering Russia against this database at the point of entry, and Russia refuses entry to anyone on the list. Russia is fully within its rights in refusing entry to whomever it wants. Any country has the right to label a foreign national as an "undesirable person" and refuse entry to that person on whatever grounds it wants.

Russia of course has treaties with many countries involving travel rights, visa-free travel, and so forth. But all such treaties reserve the right to Russia (and to the foreign governments) the right to bar specific people from entering whom they consider to be undesirable.

The US routinely denies entry visas to foreigners who are married to American citizens when they have past drug convictions or convictions for a variety of "morals" violations (including past convictions for prostitution). This is simply the choice the US makes (to apply these particular criteria in deciding who can enter and who can't), but actually the US, like every other country, could apply whatever criteria it wanted in making these decisions. It's a little principle called "sovereignty" and you are just going to have to get over it.

The very fact that you are raising such a fuss about this one particular case of denying a person entry (something that routinely happens dozens of times daily in the case of Russia and hundreds of times daily in the case of the US), is sufficient proof that Russia made the right decision, because the foreign (Moldavian) "investigative journalist" Mrs. Morar is obviously seeking to enter Russia in the service of one of the foreign-based conspiracies which seek to use Russia's newborn democratic institutions as a cloak for harming Russia. Certainly the fact that Mrs. Morar found herself on Russia's "no entry" database could only have been the result of prior knowledge by Russian security services of her involvement with such foreign-based conspirators; otherwise her case would not be of interest you (or them). So from a patriotic Russian perspective, the most anyone can say is "Good job guys! Keep up the good work! Russia's enemies never rest and you must never rest either!" [high-five]

La Russophobe says:

MISHA:

The problem lies in you're being an illiterate baboon, not with the post.

The term Russian refers to the fact that SHE PROTESTS AGAINST RUSSIA not that she is Russian. Your mistake may also have something to do with the fact that you're a racist piece of filth.

Oh and, by the way, she's married to a Russian citizen.

misha says:

"The term Russian refers to the fact that SHE PROTESTS AGAINST RUSSIA..."

Yeah, and more power to the sista. She can protest away, all she wants, down in Moldova, where she has her citizenship and her civil rights!

"Oh and, by the way, she's married to a Russian citizen."

Of course I feel very sorry for any Russian who suffers hardship due to marriage with a foreign national (and certainly such foreign-marriage hardship cases are hardly unique in Russia). But if he had married a действительно российская девочка, or at least a good and decent foreign girl, then he would not be having such problems now (would he?). But he married an enemy of Russia, and of course that is bound to cause him some troubles (unless he simply choses to leave Russia and never come back again, which is the only right choice he can make at this point, in my opinion). Her foreign backers really have the ethical and moral obligation to remove his family from Russia and to bring them to the country wherever they are based, since Russian security services discovered and thwarted her plot against Russia in time.

In my experience, a husband (or a wife) is not involved in such activities without the knowledge of the other spouse. (consider the famous US Johnathan Pollard case, for example). The wife turned out to be just as involved in it as the husband was. so you should do the right thing and help them! Russia would do it.

misha says:

Your mistake may also have something to do with the fact that you're a racist piece of filth.

Russia for me is not a race, but it is a nation which consists of many different ethnic groups, religions, etc., and my loyalty to mother Russia is not based upon simple ethnic clansmanship, but rather on the deeply held principle that the "one world order" (mono-polar world order) which the US is trying to construct in the world is something that is profoundly evil and dangerous. This is a deeply held core belief on my part and no mere superficial facade for something as retarded as mere ethnic hatred.

If one of us is a "racist" (or let's just politely say a "tribalist" in your particular case) then that would obviously have to be you and not me. There is not one racist (or tribalist) bone in my body.

Bogdan of Australia says:

So Misha, because Natasha is a Moldovian, your totallitarian regime, you loooove so much, could content itself with denying her entry to your Mother-Russia. She should consider herself lucky though. If she was a Russian citizen, your beloved PUTVEDINIST government would welcome her with the sushi spiced with POLONIUM!!! Or even better, she would receive a loving kiss, just like Politkowskaja...

vova says:

Bogdan, don't make any suggestions....

Actually, under the statutes (RF Citizenship Act) any person born in the "former USSR" (whatever that means) could become an RF citizen by opting out of the citizenship of whatever formerly occupied country he was born in. So she could have opted out of Moldovan citizenship, except that at the time she was a minor and most likely, the decision was made on her behalf by her parents or guardians. However, had they opted for RF citizenship they would have been forced out of their jobs and would have also been forced ro relocate.

There is a piece of good news: an increasing number of people is moving to Ukraine in search of freedom. Savik Shuster, former RL Moscow bureau chief, was the first. Now several people have asked for--and reveived--political asylum there.

misha says:

The USSR consisted of 15 republics, and Russia was but one of those republics. Of course during Soviet times people moved around within their vast country (the USSR) for job reasons, education, marriage and many other reasons. Obviously lots of ethnically Russian people lived in the other republics and lots of other ethnicities lived in Russia. This was no problem in the USSR and it only became a problem after the dissolution of the USSR.

Russia's attitude towards the citizenship question has always been more liberal that that of the other former Soviet republics. Russia allows dual citizenship, but most of the other former Soviet republics do not. Dual citizenship means that a person is not forced into a situation of having to renounce his or her citizenship in one country in order to have citizenship in another country. Of course Russia does not just automatically grant dual citizenship to anyone who requests it, but this is done by treaty with the country in question. Russia allows dual citizenship and Russia strongly encouraged all the former Soviet Republics to conclude dual citizenship agreements with Russia. This was obviously a humane solution to the unique citizenship situation in the territory of the former USSR, where citizens of all the countries mixed into each other's territories.

The problem did not come from Russia, but mostly from the other former Soviet Republics, most of which fell into the hands of their own local Communist Party leaders, who then transformed themselves into a new bourgeois, a new ruling class. These officials then began to pursue policies of ethnic chauvinism (creating "language laws" and so forth). Stoking the flames of ethnic tensions was seen by these officials as a way of tying off their own little corner of the former USSR and reserving exploitation of it exclusively for themselves. Henceforth they alone could act as the mediators between "their" people and international capitalism and its global organs (NATO, EU, USA, etc.)

Frequently ethnic Russians became the targets of such ethnic chauvinism. Several republics engaged in creating revisionist histories, which painted their countries as victims of Russian imperialism, and the USSR as being nothing more than a vehicle for Russian oppression, forgetting that Russia didn't need communism to dominate the countries of the USSR. (They were all solidly cemented into the Russian Empire which the Czars had created long before the "international communists" arrived on the scene.) In reality, under both the Czars and the communists, Russian natural resources were used to heavily subsidize the economies of these countries. (For example, they bought Russian oil for only 5-10% of world market prices, right up to the time the USSR dissolved, and even long after that time, though that is coming to and end now.)

The lack of dual citizenship causes problems not only for citizens of former Soviet republics, living in each other's countries, but for citizens living in 3rd countries. For example, a Russian woman who marries an American man can obtain American citizenship and still retain her Russian citizenship (which gives her certain privileges in Russia which are not available to an American). But Ukraine does not allow dual citizenship, so the Ukrainian woman who marries a foreigner must renounce her Ukrainian citizenship, if she wishes to become a citizen of her new country. If she owns property in Ukraine (let's say a flat), she will be forced to sell it, because Ukraine does not allow foreign ownership of real estate.

Links about Russia and dual citizenship:
http://stpetersburg.usconsulate.gov/citizen_dual.htm
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb5659/is_200411/ai_n23693906
http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=44792&Disp=0

vova says:

Nashi Misha, first, the so-called USSR consisted of 16 republic, one was dissolved in 1957. Second, you are confusing dual citizenship and the right of RF citizens to acquire as many citizenships as they can afford. Third, didn't Nashi teach you that at the Seliger Lake confab cum orgy?

misha says:

"So Misha, because Natasha is a Moldovan, your totalitarian regime, you loooove so much, could content itself with denying her entry"

No, Russia welcomes people from Moldova just as it welcomes people of good will from Australia and any other country. Russia reserves the right to deny entry to any individual foreign national who is deemed to be undesirable person, without further explanation, just as the US, UK, Australia and every other country do on a regular basis.

More specifically Russia reserves the right to take reasonable countermeasures against foreign intelligence agencies which seek to interfere in the democratic process inside Russia by manipulating and undermining Russia's newborn democratic institutions. The fact that Mrs. Morar was put on the list of foreigners not allowed to travel to Russia would indicate that she was in the service of one of these conspiracies in some way. There would have been no other reason for Russian security services to take an interest in her case.

There is a long history of US CIA activities to undermine and manipulate democratic processes in other countries (funneling money to pro-US parties and so forth). This took place in Australia too (the country you apparently say you are from). It is beyond any doubt that the Russian Federation has been the target of such activities, and Russian security services must take reasonable measures to protect Russia's sovereignty and independence from such efforts.

"So she could have opted out of Moldovan citizenship, except that at the time she was a minor and most likely, the decision was made on her behalf by her parents or guardians."

There would have been no reason for her parents to pursue Russian citizenship. Her family were not Russians living in Moldova but rather Moldovans living in Moldova. They would have been no more likely to seek Russian citizenship than to seek to become citizens of Turkmenistan.

"However, had they opted for RF citizenship they would have been forced out of their jobs and would have also been forced to relocate."

Rubbish! The Russian Federation has allows allowed dual citizenship and many citizens of Russia (living in Russia and abroad) also carry foreign citizenship. A Russian is not required to renounce his Russian citizenship if the becomes a citizen of another country. The prohibition on dual citizenship comes from the other 14 former Soviet republics, with their narrow ethnic chauvinism, not from Russia. If her family would have been "forced out of their jobs and forced to relocate" due to having Russian citizenship, then it would have been Moldova doing the forcing, not Russia.

vova says:

Nasi Misha, you got it wrong. Russia allows multiple citizenships (not dual if you know the difference which you obviously don't) but Moldova doesn't.
Most people leaving SVO or DME on westward flights clear immigration with their RF passports and proceed to the plane with a Western passport. I see it all the time.

misha says:

It is technically more correct to say that a person can have "multiple dual citizenships" than to say he can have "multiple citizenships." (In reality these phrases describe the same thing and it's only a question of terminology.) But even the US State Department uses the conventional "dual citizenship" terminology to describe such cases.

Any question or dispute that arises between states over a "dual citizen" will always involve a question or dispute between two specific states, over a citizen who has citizenship in both countries. (The fact that he or she may also have citizenship in a 3rd country is not relevant.)

http://stpetersburg.usconsulate.gov/citizen_dual.htm

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