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The Democrats and their Old Nemesis, Democracy

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You may recall, if you are an ardent political junkie, a furor that arose in the American loopy left just as the primary election cycle was getting serious involving the apportionment of electoral votes in California. They decried as a "dirty tricks campaign" a Republican initiative to apportion the nation's most-populous state's presidential electoral votes proportional to the popular vote -- in other words, it wouldn't be winner-take-all. Each candidate would get the same share of the state's electoral votes (it has the most of any state) as he or she had won of the state's popular vote. This would guarantee Republicans a chunk of the state's electoral votes even if they lost, and could have created a major obstacle to the Democrats winning the presidency. Naturally, the Democrats wailed to high heaven that it was unfair.

And yet, as Democrat (and Hillary Clinton backer) Evan Bayh (Senator of Indiana) points out, the Democrats conduct their own primary nominating process in exactly this manner. Moreover, if they did in their primaries what they demanded Republicans do in the general election in California, and awarded primary electoral votes on a winner-take-all basis, then Hillary Clinton would now have a significant lead over Barack Obama even without considering Michigan and Florida. Other than those, the states Clinton has won carry 219 electoral votes, while the states in Obama's column have only 202. You need 268 electoral votes to win the Oval Office. The only reason Obama is leading in the actual primary is because it isn't winner-take-all, and he's been able to scoop up considerable support in states he has lost (including almost every "major" state in the country -- Texas, New York and California, for instance).

It probably will not surprise you to learn that the Daily Kos called the California proposal "steal this election" and opposed it vehemently. If you know Kos, then neither will it surprise you that it didn't mention a single word about that position when it also vehemently attacked Bayh for noticing Clinton's electoral position (since the Kos is feverishly and predictably supporting the wacko extremist Obama -- when a splinter group dared to support Hillary, they were savaged and driven into exile). Their old standby scatology makes its appearance in this attack, so you know that Bayh truly got under their scaly skin.

This, dear reader, in a nutrootshell, is why the Democrats haven't reelected an elected president with a majority of the popular vote since World War II, while since then the Republicans have done so four different times. The fact is that, though named after "democracy," this is the last thing Democrats actually support. See, the people of the country simply don't support the left-wing initiative, which means that by definition to enact it Democrats must be prepared (as dictators of the left always have been) to ram it down the public's throat "for its own good." This is how FDR handled the "new deal" and how LBJ handled the "great society." It's how Lenin and Mau operated, and it seems it will be so until the end of time.

NOTE: Three devastating critiques of the Obamillusion, one by William Kristol in the NYT, one by Christopher Hitchens in Slate, and one -- the most crippling -- by Lionel Chetwynd in Pajamas Media. Chetwynd references "that . . . teaching opportunity I hoped you would evoke: not explaining Wright's outrage to me, but explaining his outrageousness to him."

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vova says:

Ah, dirty tricks. You have a former Watergate junkie here. Where's Donald Segretti when you need him? Bill just might repeat the famous tactics.

"wacko extremist Obama" you say? Nah, in the Southside community and among rabid white Nagin-lovers he's mainstream.

Nagin, btw, would make a good U.N. ambassador. Most of what U.N. troops do in Africa is pimping.


arnold theusin says:

what a terrible trio you've assembled kim!
a war monger idiot (kristol) an alcoholic athiest war monger idiot (hitchens) and some anonymous dude on a wacko website. if i were obama, i'd be scared!


La Russophobe says:

ARNOLD:

I see you have studied in the Soviet School of political commentary. When you can't handle the message, attack the messenger. In doing so, you've merely proven their merits.

Meanwhile, all the polls now show Obama has fallen behind McCain in the general election. Apparently you were too busy with your studies to notice that, eh?


misha says:

Is Hillary down in Michigan and Florida harping about Barack Obama "disenfranchising" the voters there?

The problem was that all the states were trying to move their primaries earlier and earlier in an effort to increase the weight of their state in national politics. This lead to a situation where the campaign season was getting earlier and earlier in each election cycle. Voters are already turned off by the campaign season that seems to drag on for ever and they are completely sick of politics by the time the November elections come along.

The Democratic Party made the rule that if any state changed its primary date to an earlier date, without the approval of the national party, then that state's delegates would not be counted at the national party convention. As drastic as that sounds it was really the only tool that the national party had to stop the states trying to "leapfrog" each other by making their primary dates earlier and earlier each election cycle. In any case the rule was made by the Democratic National Committee, and Hillary Clinton is certainly well represented there. Both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton were consulted and both agreed with the rule change. Hillary is on record as publicly supporting this rule.

At the start of the primaries Mrs. Clinton enjoyed a 20 point lead over Barack Obama and everyone though the Democratic primaries would be decided in her favor no later February. But things did not exactly go according to Mrs. Clinton's plans.

Now Barack Obama has the majority of the delegates and it's difficult to envision any scenario under which Mrs. Clinton could pull ahead and snatch the nomination. So now she has suddenly acquired a newfound concern about "disenfranchising" voters in Florida and Michigan. It's outrageous and it's just one more dirty trick from the Clinton campaign's seemingly bottomless bag of dirty tricks. Hillary, like her husband, will say or do anything to win.

There is no way that the past primary results in Florida and Michigan could simply be counted "as is." First of all, Obama never even campaigned in these two states and his name wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan. The logic of the Obama campaign was that it didn't make sense to spend precious campaign resources in states that the national party had already decided not to count. The rules were the rules, and they were agreed to by everyone, including Hillary Clinton. Only now she wants to change the rules because the primaries are almost over and she didn't get the result she desired.

The votes in Florida and Michigan cannot be counted "as is" because Obama didn't even campaing in those states. If anything there would need to be new primaries in those two states, with both candidates on the ballot. But this is very problematic. The original reason why the Democratic Party excluded these states was to punish them for moving their primary dates earlier. But if we now grant them the status as the "official deciders" of the 2008 primaries (with one vote at the beginning and another vote at the end) then we would be rewarding them more than anything.

The primaries have been very close and it is unlikely that Hillary or Obama could win in Florida or Michigan by more than a 10 percent margin. (More likely it would be closer to a 5 percent margin in favor of one or the other.) This poses another problem because there would be nothing stopping Republicans from voting in these Democratic primaries and they would likely do so by the millions. (Remember that the GOP has already selected John McCain so the contest is over on the Republican side.) Republicans voting in these two democratic primaries would greatly exceed the margin of difference between the two candidates (5-10 percent at most). Therefore a re-vote in Florida and Michigan would be essentially granting REPUBLICANS the right to pick the Democratic nominee! Hillary might be fine with that, as she has the most to gain and the least to lose. She may conclude that most Republicans would likely favor her. But those Republicans certainly will not be voting for Clinton in November.

It is simply unacceptable to allow such a re-vote to go forward. The bottom line is that the rules are the rules, and Hillary agreed to these rules going into this race just as Obama did. No Hillary, you don't get to change the rules midstream just because you lost.

The Democratic National Party is not simply going to "take sides" in favor of the Hillary or Obama camp in a way that could be seen as blatant favoritism towards one candidate over the other. Both of these candidates enjoy the support of millions of faithful Democrats, and if such favoritism was shown to one candidate it would enrage the supporters of the other candidate. The bottom line is that the rules will stay the same unless both candidates can agree to a change. Obama is not going to agree to change the rules on Michigan and Florida for the reasons above.


vova says:

Nashi Misha,

Your reference - "The Democratic Party made the rule..." is surprising. They are an authority for you? I thought you were with Yedinaya Rossiya...


elmer says:

The media idiots are having a lot of fun attributing the remarks of ex-pastor Wright to Obama - which he has already condemned and renounced.

Now we even have some anonymous dude crawling out of somewhere to tell us that this is all about the Holocaust.

I like Hitchens - but not this time.

Question to Hitchens (the atheist) and the other idiots in the media - what church should Obama have attended in order to pass the litmus test of various media idiots?

The First Presbyterian Church of tight white asses. The Holy Perpetual Everlasting Nun Church of perpetually guilt-ridden Catholics. The Oy Vey Synagogue of the All-powerful Sheckel and Shards. The Episcopalian Church of the Holy King and Queen of England, perhaps. Perhaps even a nice Church of the Holy Orthodox Incense and Icons. Maybe the Church of Holy Shouting Baptists Sometimes Singing Hymns. Or maybe just the Church of the Holy TV or, on Univision, Temple Ablanzo, where a guy screams at you in English or Spanish - you pick the channel and the language and the style you want to be shouted in. Maybe a nice Buddhist Oommmmmmm temple. Of the Holy Knock Your Head on the Floor on a Prayer Rug and Make Sure Your Shoes Are Off Muslim temple.


Which church do the media idiots think Obama should have attended to pass the test? The test that we don't know what it consists of, but only the media idiots know?

Question -

Snakehead Carville just called Gov. Richardson, a Hispanic, "Judas Iscariot."

Does Obama now need to answer for the betrayal of Jesus by Judas Iscariot?

The inflammatory rhetoric did indeed come from ex-pastor Wright.

But it also comes from media idiots, who seek to keep it going so people pay attention to them - and by Klinton supporters.

Because as we all know, the Klintons will do anything - for themselves.


Rondell says:

Of course the reason why they are sifting through all the remarks of Obama's associates looking for something is because they've already sifted through Obama's own past and they haven't been able to find anything to use against him.

It's true that Pastor Wright was Obama's pastor for 20 years, so Obama can hardly claim to be unfamiliar with the pastor's frequently repeat views. But neither is Obama responsible or answerable for those views either.

It appears that the worst thing Pastor Wright was guilty of was that he made an honest critique of American society, its past history, its current involvement in wars all over the world while the needs of America's own people go unmet at home, etc. He didn't call for terrorism, race riots or anything like that.

Pastor Right brings his own unique perspective to his ministry, which is the perspective of American life as lived in the experience of African Americans such as those in his flock. Barack Obama is correct when he calls for an honest and open national dialog on race issues. The country cannot begin to heal its wounds by avoiding such a conversation.

Unfortunately Pastor Wright had a little side business of selling tapes and videos featuring his sermons. This means that Obama's political opponents are now busily sifting through it all to see what they can find to use against Obama, out of context. The whole enterprise is just another dirty trick designed to smear Mr. Obama in a blatantly unfair way.


misha says:

Next they'll be telling us that Barack is really Yasser Arafat in disguise, saying one thing to his white audience in English and something entirely different to his African-American audience in Ebonics.


misha says:

"Your reference - 'The Democratic Party made the rule...' is surprising. They are an authority for you?"

My familiarity with American politics is surprising? Why?

I support Единая Россия in Russia, of course, as do 70+ percent of all Russians. President Putin has done an excellent job of stemming the hemorrhaging that took place in Russia after the disintegration of the USSR. Fact is that the Russian people would elect President Putin "Czar for life" if the vote was put to them honestly.

But I support Barack Obama in the American elections, because I think that he is intelligent and he will try to avoid a new cold war. Barack is a younger guy and he represents a new generation of American leadership.

John McCain is living in the past and he missed his boat to the White House by about 30 years. McCain has never forgiven that it was a Russian-made SA-2 missile that knocked his plane out of the sky while he was on his way to bomb a Vietnamese fishing village (and boy where they angry when they caught him). Someone needs to tell grandpa that the war is over, but if he becomes president he will surround himself with sycophants and yes-men, the same way Bush did, and no one will dare to approach McCain with the sober truth.


vova says:

I support Единая оссия in Russia, of course, as do 70+ percent of all Russians. QED.


Tony Andrade says:

As the proponent of the WINNER TAKE ALL by Congressional Districts in California I laugh every day at the Democrat idiots. They have destroyed the Democrat Party's chances of electing one of their fellow travelers president for years to come. Instead of using winner take all by congressional districts to select their delegates like the California Republican did they concocted a delegate selection process that breeds war. Today we see the beginning of the upcomong big fight. Judas, MacCartyite, liars, dirty tricks, racist, thieves, etc., are adjectives that the Democrats are now slamming against each other.
We will watch six months of a bloody war till the convention. Enjoy!
WWF will be tame compared to the Democrats as we get close to August.


vova says:

"Judas, MacCartyite, liars, dirty tricks, racist, thieves, etc., are adjectives that the Democrats are now slamming against each other"

I agree wholeheartedly with the adjectives. That's what they are.


misha says:

By the time the Democratic Party finally produces a candidate (and it will produce one, trust me) that candidate will be battle-tested, true and tempered and quite ready to trounce the elderly John McCain in November. There are a more than a few skeletons in that geriatrics's closet too, you're just not hearing about them because McCain shuffled to an easy victory virtually on auto-pilot, under easy Republican primary rules. Now McCain just coasting along, on easy street, but you will be hearing about McCain's skeletons, oh yes you will, when the right time comes.

In considering which party's system produces the most viable candidates for November, I would argue that "easier" is not "better." the more battered and battle tested a candidate is during the primaries the better he or she will fare in the general election. By the time Barack faces down John-John in November there's not going to be anything the American people don't already know about him; but not so with McCain, and all the "surprises" involving him have yet to come out. But they will come out, much closer to election day when they will matter a lot more.


vova says:

I defer to Kim to comment on this crap. I am just a visitor to the site.


Michael says:

Obama staying at a church for 20 years that spewed forth hatred, racist, conspiracy madness, insane, dishonest lies against America and whites shows you exactly what Obama stands for and what that he lies when he says he wants to "unite" people.

Anyone staying at a Church like that for 20 years knows what the hatred and abominations emanating from an unchristian church.

The Church stands for everything that Christ is against. It stands for Black only culture. Contributing only to the good of a black society. The Website was attrocious in its so called "black ethics" and "black values."

As opposed to what? Jesus Christ values?

Any church today that would advertise "white values" and "white ethics" would be slaughtered as a house of hatred and racism.

All the apologizers and leftist nutters who defend Obama stand only in shifting sand, quick sand and sinking fast.

This Wright connection is only part of the issue. He wrote a fictional autobiography as well. His Father is a three time bigamist, who left his "white mother" and him behind. His father was still married when he married his mother. He didn't tell the truth about his father, about his childhood experiences, about his connections to Frank Davis - a known vehement Communist who HATED America and was his "mentor" as a child. He only mentioned him as "Frank" in his book. Know why? Because he didn't want the public to know about his Communist Mentor nutjob.

This is called a pattern of bad behavior and connections in life.

Barack Hussein Obama is far left, Hamas supporting, Communist supporting liar.

He's being exposed now for the first time ever and shown for what he truly is. If he wins the Democrat nomination, he'll be exposed even more for his Syrian connections and his support of Odinga, plus other Marxist/Communist connections.

Bad news leftist. Your false messiah is indeed a liar, and a fake.


Michael says:

Obamas "secretary of defense"

Yet another Israel basher... those evil jews!

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/03/020124.php

Hmmm, so Wright HATES Israel, McPeak anti-semit cant stand American Jews, Christians are crazy, Frank Davis moonbat hates America is Obama's mentor, Zbigniew Brzezinski is his NSA the former Jimmah Cawwwter Disaster for Iran 444 day hostage crisis, oh and Robert Malley, plus don't forget them CAIR meetings and Hamas terrorist he likes to meet with.

No wonder Obama would meet with Fidel, Chavez, Ahmad-man-jihad in Iran, Syrian Tyrant Assad and any other mad radical Islamic jihadist, tyrant, or Communist Totalitarian.

He bathes in their light daily.... since he was born.


misha says:

The Russia Profile magazine has an interesting article entitled "Should Moscow Root for Obama?"
http://www.russiaprofile.org/page.php?pageid=Experts%27+Panel&articleid=a1206122651

The article gives some of the pros and cons of supporting Shaft.


misha says:

R.E.M.'s latest album Accelerate is the band's 14th album, and according to the band's leader the album is motivated by anger against US President George W Bush and his policies. But the band still has hope for "change" in the near future:

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/showbiz/2008/03/25/martel.rem.itn


David M says:

The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the - Web Reconnaissance for 03/28/2008 A short recon of whats out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day...so check back often.








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